December 5, 2020

Saturday Ramblings 4.13.13

RamblerIt is Saturday again? Already? We just had Saturday a week ago. And we will most likely have another one next week. Well, why not? I mean, we have to have Mondays every week. It’s only fair we have Saturdays as well. As I matter of fact, I propose we have two Saturdays for every one Monday. What do you think? I may just run for emperor on that platform. In the meantime, what do you say we spend this Saturday rambling?

Joel Osteen, former Christian? A web site that looked a lot like the real thing—although the address was (don’t bother—it has been taken down) which was deliberately misspelled—featured a letter supposedly from the Houston minister declaring he was leaving Christianity. The man behind the hoax says he’s a fan of Osteen, he just thinks Osteen is a little shallow. Kind of like how the Atlantic Ocean is a little deep.

Meanwhile, a rapper by the name of Shai Linne has a new song out titled “Fal$e Teacher$.” In this song he names names of those he considers false teachers. “Don’t be deceived by this funny biz, if you come to Jesus for money, then he’s not your God, money is! Jesus is not a means to an end, the Gospel is He came to redeem us from sin, and that is the message forever I yell! If you’re living your best life now you’re heading for hell!” I guess I just don’t get rap music. Do they always pull their punches like this? I find it very interesting that he laments how the American prosperity gospel is infecting churches in Africa. Your thoughts?

I have thought for some time we might need to have a good conversation about Christians and guns. Here is a very good starting place. Perhaps we will visit this topic in more detail at a future date. For now, think on these words.

Just what the world has been waiting for. A Ron Paul-branded homeschool curriculum. It is designed to teach our little darlings “the biblical principle of self-government and personal responsibility, which is also the foundation of the free-market economy.” And what Bible is he finding this stuff in? Still, you know Christian homeschooling parents will simply hear “biblical principles” and eat this stuff up, while forcefeeding it on their children. Do we really need a new generation of Christians schooled in self-government? Discuss.

The Supreme Commander of the Baptist culture wars, Richard Land, has a new job. He is soon to take over as head of Southern Evangelical Seminary in Charlotte, North Carolina. His mission?  “My goal is to join with the SES family to produce an ever increasing number of graduates who will be the green berets and paratroopers of God’s army.” Paratroopers? Did he really say paratroopers? We may have a new source of great Ramblings material in Charlotte.

Not that there is any lack of fun stuff coming from the Tar Heel state. First some state legislators wanted to declare an official North Carolina state religion (It was going to be Christianity. Who knew? I thought it would have been NASCAR.). Now a state legislator likens Muslims who pray to terrorists. You know how every family has a black sheep? The wool doesn’t get much darker than what is being knit in North Carolina right now. I think Richard Land is going to fit right in, don’t you?

Meanwhile, the new president of Oral Roberts University (full disclosure: my alma mater) seems firmly committed to taking the school back into the 1990s with his culture war rhetoric. It is getting harder and harder for me to think of a reason students should consider many Christian colleges.

A city in Poland has erected a 45-foot-tall statue of Blessed John Paul II, with its arms outstretched. What does this remind you of? Are you humming Big Butter Jesus to yourself now?

The Synonymous Rambler brought to my attention a Romanian lawyer who is suing his priest for failing to exorcise flatulent demons from his house. You know, I wish I could make stuff like this up. I really do. And who doesn’t think Flatulent Demons wouldn’t make for a great song title—it could be the flip side of Shai Linne’s Fal$e Teacher$. This week’s Ramblings Challenge: Come up with the lyrics for a song called Flatulent Demons. Then sing it in your worship service tomorrow …

Before we get to this week’s birthdays, we note with sadness the passing of three Christian authors and thinkers. David Kuo served as the deputy director of President George W. Bush’s office of faith-based initiatives. After Kuo left that post, he became a vocal critic of the Bush administration, saying they did not live what they were preaching.

John McCandlish Phillips was a star reporter for the New York Times, gaining his fame by writing an article exposing the Orthodox Jewish roots of a leader of the Ku Klux Klan. After the article appeared, the Klansman committed suicide, which Phillips saw as God’s judgment at work. Phillips left the Times to be a campus preacher in New York.

Dave Hunt was an author and teacher specializing in end times prophecy. He was not afraid of naming names. Nor was he afraid of bending Scripture to meet his predetermined opinions. Hunt was passionate for Jesus, even though he missed the ocean of God’s grace by focusing on his Dixie cup of news events he thought were important.

Birthday cards were opened this last week by my beautiful daughter Rebekah Cypert; Merle Haggard; Billy Dee Williams; Walter Winchell; Percy Faith; James Garner; Wayne Rogers; Betty Ford; Ward Bond; Carl Perkins; Cheetah; Harry Morgan; Chuck Connors; David Halberstam; Brian Setzer; Robert Fripp; and David Letterman.

So, I mentioned this rapper named Shai Linne. I am not a fan of rap. (Nor am I a fan of modern country music. Mix the two together—country and rap—and what do you get? Right. Crap.) But I kind of like this. And that is saying a lot, coming from this old, white rambler. Enjoy.

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  1. Country and rap? How about bluegrass and rap? You gotta listen to Gangstagrass!

    • DaisyFlower says

      After listening to one or two of Gangstagrass’s songs on You Tube – they remind me a little of the group “The Wiseguys,” especially one of their songs, “Search’s End,” off the album “Antidote.”

    • “Gangstagrass?” I hope it’s not as bad as “hick hop.”

  2. There “biblical principle” stuff that home schoolers may use has dubious benefit…but at least home schooled kids have a shot at a decent education.

    I know many and they are heads and shoulders ahead of their public schooled peers. Most of them also seem much nicer, well-mannered, and not jaded as do so many public schooled kids.

    I wish I’d kept my kids out of the public school system. Oh well.

    • I fit in with the secular homeschoolers. I want my children to learn the 3 R’s.

    • I am a public school science teacher whose own kids were educated at home (we used an unschooling philosophy) until age 9.

      Where I live there is a large and influential Christian homeschool population. Many of these kids take my classes, because their parents know I’m a Christian and want them to have real lab experiences in Chemistry and Physics. The funny thing is that their faith is probably questioned as much in my classes as anywhere in school, because I insist that they back up everything they say and do with evidence and that is a serious mind-shift for many of these kids.

      I can tell you from 19 years of experience and maybe 50 – 75 homeschool students in my room that it is definitely NOT true that all home-schooled kids are head and shoulders ahead of their public-schooled peers. The mindless curriculum many of the Christian homeschoolers purchase for their students just doesn’t foster critical thinking and many of them can’t form a coherent, independent thought to save their lives. Their math skills are usually about a grade-level behind, but they can mostly spell pretty well.

      It’s true that a few of the sharpest kids I have ever had came from home-schooled environments, but they are the exception to the rule and have in all cases been the children and grandchildren of former hippie types who used unschooling, free exploration and, like, lots of parent involvement, man. As to manners and behavior–home-schooled kids seem to be either exceptionally well-mannered or exceptionally poorly mannered…not much in between.

      I have seen outstanding scholars and citizens coming from Christian and non-Christian homes through the public school system, as well. I just don’t think it’s accurate to make a blanket statement that home-schooled kids are better educated than public schooled kids. Based on what we know about the factors that influence educational success, a stable home with two caring parents should produce predominantly extremely successful students—that’s mostly what you have in the Christian home-schooling community, but yet the outcome IMO is …Meh.

      • Headless Unicorn Guy says

        I think that’s because a LOT of the Christian home-schooling community is also into the Culture War Agenda. At which point, education takes a back seat to Avoiding Heathen Contamination and indoctrinating a generation of Chairman Jesus’ Red Guard for the Great Christian Cultural Revolution.

        • Funny…in our public “school” system, learning seems to take a back seat to everything else under the sun.

          • scrapiron says

            Alan, I think you may be buying into a well-established myth that has served well those who would like to tap into the multi-billion dollar public educational market for profit. They need to foster the illusion that our schools are failing to drum up popular support for the notion of replacing them with private options.

            When you look at the data beyond the hype, you find that (1) by most measures, our schools are actually doing a pretty good job, when you compare apples to apples and (2) the private options that have been tried do not produce measurably better results, again when you compare fairly.

            If you’re interested in learning more, Google studies of NAEP and PISA test results and look at the charter and option school analysis of Julian Vasquez Heilig of the University of Texas.

      • “Based on what we know about the factors that influence educational success, a stable home with two caring parents should produce predominantly extremely successful students—that’s mostly what you have in the Christian home-schooling community, but yet the outcome IMO is …Meh.”

        Indeed. Students in public high schools in affluent suburbs generally do just as well in college/life as do their private-school counterparts, whose parents moved to the affluent suburbs because of the good public schools which they then forgot to send their children to.

        I remain fascinated by the question of generational sustainability in homeschooling. Will homeschooled students opt to homeschool their own children, or will they view it as excessively demanding and/or lacking in something they felt they missed out on? Too soon to say, but interesting to speculate on.

        • I was home schooled and have no intention of doing the same with my kids. The negatives far outweighed any benefits.

        • scrapiron says

          Someone should be researching this. Christian homeschooling really took off in the 80’s and 90’s and the first generation of those kids should have children of their own that are school-aged by now. It would really be interesting to know how many second-generation homeschool families are out there and what the details of their decision-making were.

      • I have never home-schooled (my kids are in their early thirties and it wasn’t very common then, at least in middle class Catholic circles) so I have absolutely no dog in this fight…..

        But, it seems to me that there is a big difference between homeschooling to bring something TO your kids, versus homeschooling to shield your kids FROM some big, bad “other” that is out there. And. of course, prior to a couple of hundred years ago, almost ALL kids from families with any sort of money were home schooled by parents and then tutors before college (males only, of course!)

        My point being is that I would expect the same bell curve of achievement and adjustment from home schooled kids as those in public and private schools….not to mention the basic intellectual status of the child and the skill and education of the parents. Additionally, the advent of on-line, real time instruction has go to be a game-changer in bringing in other cyber-teachers with advanced expertise. When we lived in the far east in the late 60’s, my much-older sister needed a chemistry or biology course to graduate to US standards (from a British school) and everything was done by MAIL! Took for-flippin-ever to send assignments back and forth!!!

        • scrapiron says

          “the advent of on-line, real time instruction has go to be a game-changer in bringing in other cyber-teachers with advanced expertise”

          The promise of online learning solving our educational woes is, like all educational technology promises before it, largely an illusion. In reality, online learning is pretty ineffective for most students. Witness the atrocious completion rates (often under 10%) of Massive Open Online Courses (MOOC’s) and the fact that online charter schools perform worse than any other educational option for K12 students every time someone measures this stuff. It’s not really a surprise, since these schools are often staffed at 200 – 300 students per teacher, that the interaction with a teacher is virtually impossible.

        • scrapiron says

          “it seems to me that there is a big difference between homeschooling to bring something TO your kids, versus homeschooling to shield your kids FROM some big, bad ‘other’ that is out there.”

          When we were unschooling our kids, we occasionally would bump into people from the Christian homeschooling community and they were, for the most part doing the “shield your kids from…” thing. Many of these kids completely lost the pin on their moral compasses once they left the sheltered environment of home and started interacting with ideas that weren’t pre-digested by Mom and Dad. Some of them figured it out and were able to sort out what was valuable from what wasn’t about their upbringing. Many more of them, sadly, pitched the baby out with the bath water and are now living exactly the kinds of lives their parents worked so hard to keep them from knowing about. Even the ones who haven’t gone completely 180 degrees from their upbringing are now beginning to have kids of their own and homeschooling is mostly not an option for them, because they’ve seen it not work for so many of their peers.

          During that time, we also spent a good deal of time with a homeschooling cooperative that was started by back-to-the-landers in the 1970s. They just couldn’t handle the idea of their kids going to public school and being programmed to conform to the uncreative public educational system, so they kept them home and taught them by giving them great books and real experiences, then got together once a week to exchange knowledge, produce an outstanding drama production each spring and have social interaction. In contrast to the Christian homeschoolers, this co-op is mostly populated by the grandkids of the original hippies that started the co-op, whose parents remember their youth as the greatest time of their lives and want their own kids to benefit from the same experiences.

          Sadly, we and our kids both found the hippies to exhibit the fruits of the spirit better than the Christian homeschoolers, by a long shot…why is that the case so often?

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says

      I know many and they are heads and shoulders ahead of their public schooled peers. Most of them also seem much nicer, well-mannered, and not jaded as do so many public schooled kids.

      Sounds like The Party Line.

      Check out blogs like “Homeschool Anonymous” ( for the flip side and horror stories. Tip: If the Christian Homeschoolers have any ties to the Reconstructionist, Quiverfull, or Theonomy movements, expect horror stories worthy of Behind the Iron Curtain.

  3. DaisyFlower says

    You went to ORU, as in the school with the big praying hands in the front yard? Hee hee.

    Big Butter Jesus, LOL.

    Your writing style, (as in, “What do you all think of blah blah blah? Discuss” or, “Today, Senator Whos-its said ‘yada yada yada.’ Your thoughts?”) -reminds me of those old “Coffee Talk” skits on SNL.

    The Shai Lane rap song “Fal$e Teacher$.” I listened to it a few days ago when I first heard of it. His assessment of prosperity gospel teachers sounds right on.

    About the only rap music I ever liked was by DJ Jazzy Jeff and Fresh Prince and Run DMC. Most other rap music contains a profanity ever other word (some profanity I can handle, but when every other word is the “F” word, not so much) and talks about killing cops and beating up women, not my cup of tea.

    Some country music is okay, such as some material by Johnny Cash, Johnny Horton, Tanya Tucker, George Strait, and several others. You must listen to the song “Trashy Women” by Confederate Railroad.

    You said, “The Synonymous Rambler brought to my attention a Romanian lawyer who is suing his priest for failing to exorcise flatulent demons from his house.”

    “Flatulent demons?” Most people just blame the dog or barking spiders, this guy blames demons?

  4. Hey, Jeff, since ORU is your alma mater, you’d think you could at least get the founder’s name right….

    It’s Oral Roberts, not Oral Robert.

  5. I don’t know if people have heard yet, but Brennan Manning passed away yesterday. From his website:

    It is with mixed emotions that we must tell you that on Friday April 12, 2013, our Brother Brennan passed away.

    While he will be greatly missed we should all take comfort in the fact that he is resting in the loving arms of his Abba.

  6. At least the Polish statue looks like a recognisable statue, rather than the Roman version which had to be “re-vamped” due to protest about it (and more cynically, that homeless people were using it as a shelter).

    • Joseph (the original) says

      Martha: according to the article, it said, “Artist Oliviero Rainaldi said he was pleased with the final product, saying it matched his original vision. He blamed workers for a botched assemblage the first time around.

      seems to be a bad case of pointing his artistic finger at the scapegoat workers that supposedly messed up his artwork…

      did his idea for the statue pass muster first with those that commissioned it? was there an open invitation to the art community to submit their ideas for such a sculpture? and does the artist have any leeway in how he creates his art when he was approved to do so?

      i feel bad for those poor workers that were not guided during the project’s construction. i would think there would many artistic types able to help out with such a project. did the artist simply give in to public reaction & pressure from those that approved it in the first place? seems this incident was not handled well from inception to second-version changes…

  7. Jeff, in the article about guns and churches Bishop Konieczny begins, ” Both sides of the gun control debate think I’m on their side.” I can see why—it’s hard to tell where he stands other than “something must be done”.

    Here is another article about a church here in Maine, a few miles from me:

    This pastor tells you exactly where he stands—he leads a small, fairly new church that held a “Second Amendment Sunday” last month. The pastor is a retired car dealer and also controls and bankrolls the area’s only Christian school, grades K-12. The church meets in the school gym, I believe. This could be laughed off except the pastor is very influential around here and has even run for state senator. A number of kids from our church have gone to his school and I pray for that school.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says

      I still think that pastor should have preached Second Amendment Sunday in red speedos, black hooker boots, and a Zardoz-head helm.


      • Oh, my. There’s someone else who’s seen Zardoz???

        • By inference at least 3 of us. Sean must have had his bank account running low at the time.

        • Kyle In Japan says

          I love Zardoz!

        • Headless Unicorn Guy says

          Oh, my. There’s someone else who’s seen Zardoz???

          Movie night at the Cal Poly Pomona dorms, sometime in late 1977. Most common comment after the movie ended:

          “That was the WEIRDEST movie I’ve ever seen.”

          Infamous YouTube review:

          “Sean Connery in speedos and hooker boots — need I say more?”

      • HUG, the Zardoz clip would have been just about right. I watched the video of that church service, and one of the four (4) “patriotic” video clips they showed during the service was the scene from Braveheart where Mel Gibson rallies the Scottish troops with the cry, “They will never take our freedom!” Swords and spears, not semi-automatics and pistols, but the same thing.

        But the video clip that came to my mind after watching the church service was this patriotic scene from Cabaret:

        I fear the giant flag in front of that place when I drive past it.

        • One of my favorite (and scariest) movie scenes of all time.

          • Scary is right. I choked up watching it again.

            Strange thing though, it’s essentially the same scene as the one in Casablanca where Victor Laszlo gets the band to play the French anthem La Marseillaise to drown out the Germans. That scene is more like the patriotism I know, something like when Baron von Trapp sings Edelweiss in The Sound of Music.

            Funny how the Nazis show up in all three of those scenes.

          • I donno. The one from Cabaret was about them taking over by replacing fear with hope of a glorious future. And convincing the population that they had the on true way.

            The other two were about resistance to a takeover.

          • You’re right, David. There’s more of a cult-like element in the Cabaret scene.

        • Headless Unicorn Guy says

          But the video clip that came to my mind after watching the church service was this patriotic scene from Cabaret:

          Ah, yes. “Tomorrow Belongs to Me.” Sung by the On-Fire Young Restless and Truly Reformed Culture Warrior of that place and time. Though I’m more familiar with the various filk lyrics — several filksongs were written to that tune, such as “Marching Song of the Mongol Horde” by Bob Aspirin/Yang T Nauseating.

    • Marcus Johnson says

      Actually, Bishop Konieczny is not alone. In any political debate, both sides usually tend to believe that God is on their side. And they’re both usually wrong.

  8. Sigh. I’ve lived in NC for nearly 25 years now. We have an interesting mix of people. Some of them think a visit to Raleigh or Charlotte every now and then exposes them to the secular world. Oh, well.

    It’s hard for many of these people when from their point of view they see the world crumbling. Science telling them YEC is wrong. Being told the Baptist church did NOT start int he 1st century after Christ. And so on. Some adapt. Other dig in.

    And I’m not really that much of an interloper. I spent my first 26 years in Kentucky, with some time in Pennsylvania and Connecticut. So I’m not really a carpet bagger. Unlike many of my friends. 🙂

    On problem with many of the old time NC folks is in places like Raleigh/Wake county 100 people a DAY move here from somewhere else. And many are NOT from NC or the south. So to many old time folks it appears to be an invasion.

    • Dana Ames says


      a couple of years ago we visited NC for our son’s graduation from App State in Boone (Master’s, Music). We took a ride across the state line into Tennessee and on to Watauga Lake to hike a little of the Appalachian Trail. On the road between Boone and the Lake there were easily a couple of dozen Baptist churches, all of them brick and all with a white steeple (in fact, on our first drive to Boone from the airport, for a short time we ended up following a small pickup truck with a white steeple in its bed, the point sticking out the back and aimed at us…). This prompted my husband to say that in North Carolina, you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a Baptist church… Still makes me laugh.


    • cermak_rd says

      Back in the late 90s, I had to travel to RTP in NC with some co-workers of mine. We were all terrified that we were going into the heart of Dixie. I think we were all expecting something out of Deliverance. Man we got to RTP and it was like someone had taken a bit of a big northern city and plopped it down in NC. It was diverse and comfortable. We were warned however not to wonder out too much past the tri-city limits.

      • Must have been warned by recent transplants. The triangle area is about as diverse as you can get. Even mix of R’s and D’s. (Gerrymandering by party in power on the 00s to make sure the other looses out.) Chapel Hill is about as liberal as you can get. But if not liberal enough go across the tracks to Carrboro. Travel an hour south or south east to military central with all the issues and politics of large military bases. Or head out an hour or two away for hard core SBC folk.

        It is a varied mix. Both in local and wider areas.

        Most of these politicians you hear about nationally make most folks in NC give a big eye roll.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says

      On problem with many of the old time NC folks is in places like Raleigh/Wake county 100 people a DAY move here from somewhere else.

      Welcome to Southern California under the Rose Bowl Curse (AKA Pasadena’s Perfect Weather every January 1st). Every January after the Rose Bowl, all these caravans of U-Hauls with out-of-state/snow country plates would magically appear on Route 66, all heading west to Los Angeles.

      • Yes. But your population base was/is 10 times larger. 100 people a day is nothing for So Cal. For central NC it’s huge. School system for Wake county adds 1500 to 3000 students per year. OR MORE some years. That’s 2 to 4 new schools per year. In addition to trailers at every school.

        There has been talk of breaking the school district up just for manageability but there are no easy boundaries with Raleigh smack dab in the middle of the county with the growth somewhat even in all directions.

  9. Headless Unicorn Guy says

    Just what the world has been waiting for. A Ron Paul-branded homeschool curriculum. It is designed to teach our little darlings “the biblical principle of self-government and personal responsibility, which is also the foundation of the free-market economy.”

    Training Chairman Jesus’ Red Guard for the Great Christianese Cultural Revolution.
    Culture War Without End, Amen.

    And what Bible is he finding this stuff in?

    Atlas Shrugged?

    • I keep finding it interesting that Christians are adopting her theories wholesale except for the biggest one.

      And that was that religion was a needed philosophy of life until we became smart enough to not need it anymore as a society. Which is why objectivism can now replace it. The Christians who adore her seem to miss that one.

      • Headless Unicorn Guy says

        Well, there’s been a lot of “67th Books of the Bible (superseding the other 66)” floating around for some time. And a lot of Fourth Persons of the Trinity; now it’s a former serial child killer fangirl with a philosophy of Utter Selfishness.

        To paraphrase Chesterton, “They’ll tell you how Christianity and Objectivism are so much alike, especially Objectivism.”

    • The self-government and personal responsibility principles are found in the bible. Read Judges. “In those days Israel had no king; all the people did whatever seemed right in their own eyes.” (Jg 21.25)

      Libertarianism in action!… Pity things were utter chaos, though.

      • K.W., that reminded me of something Chaim Potok wrote in his book Wanderings: Chaim Potok’s History of the Jews. It was during the split between Israel and Judah after Solomon’s reign, but same idea. Potok begins several sections with “Who was king? Who was not king?”

        I left the book by my chair so I can pick it up again. Brought me back 30 years (or 3000 years, however you look at it).

        • K.W., I’ve been cruising around in your blog just now. Interesting article on March 3rd, whether Jesus declared all foods clean or not, in Mark 7. I like your translation, and even with my mini-course in Greek (plus interlinear Gk/Eng bible) I can’t see how so many translations got it to read otherwise. I mean, even in English, catharsis means flushing or purging (possibly cleansing, as in declaring foods clean, but it’s a stretch).

  10. Dana Ames says

    I’m sorry to hear of David Kuo’s passing. He was a good writer with a lot of insight into many areas, not only the government.

    Memory eternal.

    (in the Orthodox Church, this is not simply an expression of hope that a person will not be forgotten by those left behind – it is mostly a prayer that the person will be “remembered” by God forever – that is, that he/she may be found where God is, for all eternity)


  11. Catherine says

    “I find it very interesting that he laments how the American prosperity gospel is infecting churches in Africa.”

    Yes! This!

    I spent six weeks in Kenya several years ago, and was heartbroken by the number of banners I saw strung across the roads advertising “miracle workers” and “healers,” always old white guys from America. No Jesus, no gospel, just a lot of uneducated, unknowing people giving their money to some fraud of God. Several of them advertised a “miracle” at a cost, usually around 500-700 shillings (not much for an American, but a great deal when that’s your week’s wages.) Every time someone talks about the church in Africa or South America growing, I keep wondering if they know how much of it is through charlatans and fleecers.

    I will probably answer for this someday, but if every Word-Faith teacher out there were to burst into flames tomorrow, I would not grieve at all.

  12. A Ron Paul based homeschooling curriculum? Horrors!

    My wife home-schooled our kids for the first few years of their life. When we were overseas on missions, our kids attended the local schools, but also had to do some home-schooling courses so that they could keep up with their home culture. We mostly used “secular” courses because we found that the “Christian” courses were all too often disguised political propaganda.

    While the “secular” courses were not pro-Christian, we made sure to choose those which also were not overtly anti-Christian. Oddly enough, because so many home schoolers are Christian missionaries, the best of the home-schooling curriculum companies that cater to overseas children made sure that they had nothing in them that would be overtly objectionable to Christians. They may have spoken about evolution, etc., but they did not press an agenda of any type.

    I say all that to say that I am not against home-schooling, but I am fully against a politicized curriculum. To claim that our schools are politicized and biased, but then turn right around and start politicized and biased home schooling seems to be rather a contradiction.

    • But you miss the point. It’s not that the public schools are politicized. Just that they are politicized the wrong way. 🙂

      • So you do admit that the public “schools” are politicized. Which side is it that would object to having schools be non-politicized? Of course, it’s the left who would object to that, given that their agenda is the one in place in our under-performing “schools” these days.

        • Not sure if anyone will see this but…

          All human activities are “politicized”. No one comes to anything without biases. And people who claim to be unbiased on any subject just refuses to look closely in the mirror.

          Admit to biases and deal with them.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says

      We mostly used “secular” courses because we found that the “Christian” courses were all too often disguised political propaganda.

      Political Consciousness Indoctrination worthy of Jefe Maximo Fidel?

  13. What Ron Paul is talking about is enlightenment ideology and not Christianity. Many founders of the enlightenment (such as Kant) were raised on German Pietism, so it is no surprise to find Christian-sounding ideals within the enlightenment which are stripped of their full Christian context. The “inner light” is one example. Autonomy and personal responsibility are also, but are stripped of the concept of original sin. Personal responsibility without accountability results in the people doing what is right in their own eyes. Free markets must be regulated to prevent such abuse.

    It is amusing that he suggests advanced kids can help the less advanced. That seems quite contrary for an “Atlas Shrugged” carrying Randian like Paul.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says

      “Who is John Galt?”

      I don’t know, but after the 2008 elections the guy’s got more Celebrity Impersonators than Elvis. And every one of them chanting “RON! PAUL! RON! PAUL! RON! PAUL!”

  14. I haven’t heard about the Hunts in years. Ah, back in the days when conspiracy theories were entertaining.

  15. The fact that conservatives need paratroopers, propaganda, and government-enforced religion is evidence that the
    They have already lost.

    • I found the paratroopers comment kinda amusing. I’m pretty sure when we meet our Lord in the air, (1Th 4.17) and follow in his procession as he takes his Kingdom, no parachutes will be necessary.

      …Well, unless Land is figuring on a pre-Trib rapture, in which case we won’t be coming back down, so parachutes will REALLY not be necessary. When, actually will the parachutes come into play?

    • Too funny. Because of course there’s no propaganda coming from the left. Thanks for the good laugh, I needed it.

  16. Jeff, I take that it you find no problem though with our public “school system” (LOL) force feeding their agenda down the throats of our kids. While those kids are learning next to nothing in “school” thanks to teachers unions and political agendas, the test scores of the home schooled kids are off the charts. But you lament the fact that they are being force fed a certain curriculum?? LOL, that’s rich Jeff. Full Disclosure: my kids aren’t even home schooled.

    • scrapiron says


      Care to provide some significant evidence of your claims that (1) the public schools have a coherent “agenda” (2) that they are “force-feeding” it to our kids. (3) kids are learning “next to nothing” in school (4) that their learning next to nothing has something to do with “teachers unions” and mostly (5) that “test scores of home schooled kids are off the charts”?

      Full Disclosure: My kids were home-schooled until age 9. I am also a public school teacher whose students provided me today with well-written, calculus-based explanations for the reaction rate order of a chemical reaction they’ve been studying for the last three days, using experiments they designed themselves. I promise that’s not in the ABECA curriculum, Alan.