October 22, 2020

Saturday Ramblings 1.15.11

Welcome to the new and improved Internet Monk! Like it? Take some time and explore the site. You’ll find the same writers, the same desire to picnic in the post-evangelical wilderness. The new site is available in a variety of languages, including Irish just for Martha. We have more elements to add to the new site, but those can wait for another day or two. In the meantime, have fun rambling around. After all, it’s Saturday.

Joe Stallard is the monk in charge of designing and developing this site. He takes no money for this. None. Oh, I buy him coffee when I am passing through his town. Joe does excellent work, and is incredibly kind to boot. If you find yourself in need of a new web site, or simply want your current one to work like it’s supposed to, you can contact Joe through his company, P12 Media.

And while we are thinking web sites, be sure to visit our cousin site, Good News Daily. We could all use a little good news today.

Pope John Paul II got some good news, albeit posthumously, when it was announced he will be beatified on May 1. The late pope was credited with a healing miracle after interceding in prayer for a nun with Parkinson’s disease. The nun was healed spontaneously after the pope prayed for her. Three different Vatican panels examined the claim of a miracle before passing it on to Pope Benedict XVI for his approval. CNN, meanwhile, shares nine reasons why Pope John Paul II “mattered.” Only nine?

Ruh Roh. John Piper may have just touched the third rail. Here he comes out for why woman should not be pastors. Stand by for fallout. Engage your comments … now.

We recently looked at a survey saying that a majority of evangelicals in America believe you can get to heaven by being good. Well, in England—you know, where Christianity is dead—it seems that the majority of evangelicals believe that Jesus is the only way we can approach God. Interesting. Oh, and their fish and chips rock.

Ah, but here is something I think most of us will agree on. Is “leadership” biblical? David Fitch says–hey, I’m not going to tell you. Look at the article yourself. (You got a new site design, but the same old grouchy Rambler…)

Roving rambler Justin Van Ningen sent along this tidbit. KLOVE Christian radio has a way to change your life. All it takes is listening to only Christian music for a month. Naturally, they would like you to do this listening on KLOVE stations. Naturally. Now, before you start flinging those rocks my way, please note that I do know a bit about radio. I worked at the first FM commercial Christian radio station in the nation. I taught radio broadcasting and broadcast management for fifteen years. And now here I am, filing reports on life-changing listening habits. I know you will come to me and say, “Yes, but my cousin’s husband’s neighbor was saved while listening to a Newsboys’ song.” Ok, fine. But I still don’t get too excited. I would rather listen to Over the Rhine’s new album, The Long Surrender.

And you thought thunderstorms were just loud. NASA  scientists discovered that some thunderstorms actually produce antimatter. And how does that matter? Well, when matter and antimatter meet, they can combine to create pure, clean energy. Ah, but where is Robert Langdon when you need him?

Birthdays this past week include Larry Storch (from “F Troop,” perhaps the worst TV show of all time); Stephen Hawking; Graham Chapman (from Monty Python); David Bowie; Richard Nixon; Bart Starr; Joan Baez; Bob Denver (oh c’mon—you really don’t need to ask, do you?); Jimmy Page (oh c’mon—you really don’t need to ask, do you?); Roy Disney; Willie McCovey; Frank Sinatra, Jr.; Jim Croce; Rod Stewart; Donald Fagin; Lee Ritneour; Faye Dunaway; Carl “Apollo Creed” Weathers; and Andy Rooney.

When I was in college, our chaplain was Bob Stamps, better known to us as Brother Bob. Brother Bob led a communion service every Friday evening that was the highlight of the week for me, as well as Vespers on Sunday evening. He wrote a hymn in the early 1970s called “God And Man At Table Are Sat Down.” Here Pam Noblit sings this great song. This is the only complete version available on YouTube I could find. Ignore the pictures or watch them as you listen to this great hymn of faith.


  1. Ruh Roh. John Piper may have just touched the third rail. Here he comes out for why woman should not be pastors. Stand by for fallout. Engage your comments … now.


    • I think that’s about as much as can be said. I especially liked the assertion that Jesus acted “in coherence with the rest of the bible”, even the parts that hadn’t been written yet. Amazing.

      • David Cornwell says

        Well, Jesus knew 1 Corinthians, 1 Timothy, and Ephesians by heart. He just hadn’t time to dictate it yet.

    • Christian masculinism is a shanda fur die goyim.

  2. As one who loves the forest I can certainly think of worse pictures to accompany this beautiful hymn than Half Dome and Bridalveil Falls. 🙂

    As for KLOVE, they’re great at spouting the kind of anecdotal evidence that keeps the coffers full. But I haven’t had much respect for them since they threw Jon Rivers under the bus for his (later publicly admitted) addiction to prescription painkillers. Ya know, I could’a sworn the purpose of discipline was restoration!

    • VolAlongTheWatchTower says

      Oh, KLOVE, where to begin…If you don’t play my U2 request, I’ll request King’s X…BOO!!

      • VolAlongTheWatchTower says

        To clarify, that’s a Boogie-Man “boo” aimed at KLOVE to mock what I’m sure their reaction is when someone mentions those bands, I would never, EVER boo, A. my favorite band-U2 or B. King’s X, criminally under appreciated band. Thank you. ,

    • What happened with Jon Rivers…I never heard that story?

      • Short version: One day he ‘s there, next day he’s gone.

        He later posted on K-Love’s site that he had become addicted to prescription pain relievers, and that Sherry, his wife, had somehow forced the issue. His public statement was that he was thankful to all involved for bringing the issue out in the open so it could be dealt with.

        It was only months later, when I heard his script on 20 The Countdown Magazine being read by another when it played on K-Love, that I realized how thoroughly he had been scrubbed from their files. For all practical purposes it was as if he had never existed. Which is what prompted my comment about the purpose of discipline; K-Love’s actions felt more like a severing of the connection to cut their losses than any attempt at restoration and reconciliation.

        Then again, “Kathy” probably didn’t offer them a choice in the matter (see my response several posts down regarding Kathy).

        It’s interesting, though, given the popularity of Jon & Sherry’s morning show, that K-Love now has 2 male/female DJ teams. Not husband and wife like Jon & Sherry, and not nearly as good – after all, who can match Jon? – but they still tried to run with the same format. But between that and the contests (again, see my response below) . . . .

        • Headless Unicorn Guy says

          Short version: One day he ‘s there, next day he’s gone.

          It was only months later, when I heard his script on 20 The Countdown Magazine being read by another when it played on K-Love, that I realized how thoroughly he had been scrubbed from their files. For all practical purposes it was as if he had never existed.

          doubleplusunpersons never did exist.
          doubleplusungood ref doubleplusunperson. memhole.
          ees party line, comrades.

          Then again, “Kathy” probably didn’t offer them a choice in the matter (see my response several posts down regarding Kathy).

          Kathy = SNL Church Lady-in-training. That’s all you need to know.

  3. Beautiful video but unfortunately it covered your blogroll and links. They can be resized to fit better into the post. Thanks!

  4. I went to that “Good News Daily” site, and found a bunch of terrible news. They are failing miserably at their stated purpose.

  5. I hate to say it, and it might be exascerbated by windows high contrast mode for us low-vision folk, but the new design irriates me. The pictures are bigger, the links to social media bigger, everything seems bigger except the actual textual content. Also, prominent links to things like facebook are a personal peeve, but I get that some people like that kind of thing.

    • Two Firefox add-ons should be of great help(!):
      1) Readability – makes OPs easy on the eyes, and,
      2) NoSquint – resize text-only/page-only/both/ and remembers your settings (if you choose)

      • I do use Nosquint, actually, at 120%/115% for this site. (Actually, for most sites, it tends to be the setting that causes all the fonts to go bold and readable, but it doesn’t work for the text in this box I’m filling in, so I can’t read what I’ve written. 😉

        I’ll check out Readability, thanks.

        Coming back today, it seems less of the article intro shows up by default, which I’m also not a huge fan of.

        • You’re welcome, Tokah. I’ve got an old-fashioned, TV style, dinky monitor — and experiment with Screen Resolution(s), NoSquint, Readability, and even use “No Style” page view if needed. InternetMonk reads well @ 110%/100% for me. Take care.

  6. Isaac (the poster formerly known as Obed) says

    So, maybe this just shows that I’ve been reading too much “Anglican Mainstream” and other such blogs, but I automatically assumed the Evangelicals in the survey were the “evangelical faction” within the Church of England. The survey, though, doesn’t seem to say what their denominational (or non-denominational) affiliations are. Any info on that? I’m not really familiar with England’s religious landscape other than a dwindling CoE, a new Anglican Ordinariate within Roman Catholicism and an allegedly rapidly growing Islam.

  7. This is random but why can’t we read all of the comments now?

    • You can. Once the comments hit a certain number—I think it’s 150—they get archived as “older comments.” But they are still right there, still attached to the post.

      • About that. The link to older comments isn’t very big and I think it’s easily overlooked. That’s one improvement that could still be made. Otherwise, the site looks pretty good—-more streamlined and easier to scroll to earlier posts.

        • There are some things we can change, Ted, and some we can’t as we use the theme we have selected. To build a site like this from scratch would cost, well, a lot. And since we are all working for free…

  8. Rob Grayson says

    iMonk is still one of my favorite sites, so don’t take offense at what I’m about to say. I’m fairly indiffeent about the new site design. However, as a professional translator, I do have one pet peeve as regards websites: I hate it when a website offers the ability to select different languages, but then when you select them you find that the site has simply been run through Google Translate. While GT might be good for getting the gist of a quick sentence or two, the kindest way to describe it’s output for most longer texts is, well, “comical”. To my, this smacks of gimmickry on an otherwise very well put-together site, and cheapens the overall image.

    • I checked out the Spanish, and on the whole it does OK, much better than earlier online translators (“comical” does describe them, especially when you paste the result back into the translator and have it translated back into English!). But on short chunks it can’t quite get the context. Prime example: “Post Evangelical Wilderness” comes out “Mensaje Evangélico desierto”. For “post” it took the meaning as “message” (as in the British “mail”) instead of the prefix for “afterward”. But longer phrases, with more context, do pretty well and are quite readable. But then, I’m not perfectly literate in Spanish.

      ¿Padre Ernesto? ¿Su opinión, por favor?

      • Hmm… I just read my own reply in Spanish. Again, it did pretty well, but the opening line “I checked out the Spanish” came out “Revisé los españoles,” or “I checked out (reviewed) the Spaniards.”

        • “Post Evangelical” is incorrect English, it SHOULD have been written as “Post-evangelical” to be proper AMERICAN English (and maybe Brit as well), but there is no word for word translation in Spanish for that hyphenated word. Hence, the mistranslation.

        • And how are the Spaniards today, Ted? Doing well I hope…(he said with a grin…)

          Google Translate is fairly close…and we wanted to have something for those who visit from other nations. And this is a FREE service, which fits our budget perfectly…

  9. I can supply a no. 10: He made significant (and well-received) changes to the rosary.

    It may sound minor, but this is the sort of thing that can endure for centuries, when the Cold War has become ancient history.

  10. I like the new diggs!

  11. Salsapinkkat says

    Re survey:
    Hey, at last, proof that Brits are not just either villains or eccentrics (as seen in so many american films!)
    Note also: ‘On evolution, six out of 10 evangelicals believe evolution and Christianity are compatible while 18 percent agreed strongly that you cannot believe in both.’ I’ve suspected that it was a non-issue for most brits for some time…
    I’d also like to recommend rhubarb crumble and crumpets 🙂

  12. The Fitch article on “leadership” is good. My concern is that leadership seems to be the goal for so many, not a tool.

    The British Evangelicals seem to have a better handle on things than Americans.

    In regards to matter/anti-matter, were not Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock concerned about the destructive effects when the matter/anti-matter met? :^)

    • It’s only a problem when matter and antimatter have an uncontrolled interaction. When it gets out of control, you have to eject the warp core.

  13. “KLOVE Christian radio has a way to change your life. All it takes is listening to only Christian music for a month.”

    Amen! Let’s start with Mark Heard, then some Rich Mullins (besides “Awesome God”), Bruce Cockburn, Jacob Moon, Steve Bell, and perhaps some vintage Daniel Amos for good measure. What? KLOVE doesn’t play that kind of music? Hmmm.

    If you want to listen to Christian music, listen to public radio, particularly Sunday mornings, where you can hear sacred works of masters like Bach, Brahms, Vivaldi, etc.

    • Excellent. Perfect. You nailed it, D.O….

      And mix in some All Saved Freak Band while you’re at it…

      • I sense that my button has been pressed here, Jeff. There are those of us in Christian broadcasting that still hope to offer something both meaty and meaningful as well as enjoyable. Plans are afoot to do just that and we could use your counsel. Vivaldi and Steve Bell on the same station? …you betcha.

        • Standing by, Jim. Standing by…and I believe you are the one to initiate some long-needed changes…

        • ??? Call me cynical, but are you pulling my leg? KLOVE Salem play crap for the Same reason MacDonalds sells unhealthy food: that’s what the biggest marketing demographics want. The rest of us are stuck with the results.

          • The “mature” market doesn’t listen anymore because media is about ads and not content. It no longer rates their undivided attention. The younger audience doesn’t know/hasn’t experienced how good radio (in particular) can be and so settles for the dregs. These are generalities and some exceptions do exist, but internet radio and a plethora of talent not yet (or no longer) tied to the industry can set a new standard. That goes for both music and information, secular and sacred.

            Exiting soap box ….

          • Headless Unicorn Guy says

            KLOVE Salem play crap for the Same reason MacDonalds sells unhealthy food: that’s what the biggest marketing demographics want.

            And the same reason why so much art in Furry Fandom is flat-out porn. When I surveyed the second-string of Furry artists as to why all they drew was Porn, that is exactly what they said.

            “What the biggest marketing demographics want” = “That’s what sells.”

            Take that analogy any way you wish.

    • I keep waiting for Casting Crowns’ What This World Needs. Funny, that doesn’t seem to be on their playlist either.

    • It must be difficult passing KLOVE’s “positive and encouraging” litmus test for what is truly “Christian” music.

      • And it’s not just the “Jesus is my girlfriend” stuff. When I hear Superchick’s line; “My prayer without ceasing, negative releasing,” I just wanna hurl.

        Superchick’s stuff seems to come more from a self-help mentality, with a dose of New Age thrown in (as per the phrase “negative releasing”). With, of course, the mandatory veneer of Christianity. In other words, the perfect music for our modern syncretistic mindset.

        Then there are the contests. I’ve seen secular stations that didn’t rely as heavily on constant contests and promotions as KLOVE does. They’ve got a new contest every week, with an occasional extra thrown in on the weekends.

        At this point I think KLOVE is so steeped in a business mindset that, even though they’re technically “listener supported,” they might as well be a commercial station. And as others have noted, since I’m not a soccer mom in my mid 30s driving a mini-van I can forget about them ever listening to anything I might have to say – I just don’t fit their chosen demographic.

        • My teenage kids don’t like KLOVE/SALEM-esque Christian radio, so I hope they are not claiming to reach a younger audience. The idea that soccer moms are their target audience is probably pretty close. The people who sing along to KLOVE in the shower or in the car on their way to work (or soccer practice) then go to their church music directors and demand, “why don’t you include these songs in the “worship” service?”. That’s no exaggeration. Then we have to suffer through even more “Jesus my girlfriend” songs on Sunday.

          I agree the added stuff, like contests, adds to the annoyance. And the talk, talk, talk, about nothing in particular – whatever happens to be bugging the host that day.

          • From page 68 of Why Men Hate Going to Church, by David Murrow:

            “K-Love… targets its programming at eighteen- to forty-five-year-old women. The K-Love disc jockeys have created a mythical average listener, whom they call Kathy. She is a mother in her midthirties with two kids, a minivan, and a mortgage. Kathy is very busy driving her kids to soccer practice, piano lessons, and youth group. As she drives, she listens to K-Love. Kathy’s name comes up frequently during staff meetings, and the DJs make sure their on-air antics won’t upset or offend her sensibilites.”

            So yeah, we’re listening to soccer mom music here. And since I’m the wrong gender, as well as being outside the chosen age demographic….

          • Headless Unicorn Guy says

            Not “Jesus is my Girlfriend.”

            Not even “Jesus is my Boyrfiend.”

            But “Jesus is my Edward Cullen!” (Shekinah sparkles and all).

            Kathy of K-Love sounds a LOT like the “Bored Housewife” demographic of Harlequin Romance and Twimoms (40+ Twilight fangirls).

    • I was sitting in the dentist’s office getting a root canal yesterday; he plays K_love radio (note the juxtaposition). It sounds commercial, lots of Jesus boyfriend songs, sort of like the lite FM stations. There’s a local Christian station, I’m sure it’s a syndicated feed, but the music is a lot better, and the DJ has some interesting things to say.

    • James Brown “Rebel Jesus”…don’t hear that one too often.

      • Um, actually that’s Jackson Browne. But yeah, great song:

        We guard our world with locks and guns
        And we guard our fine possessions
        And once a year when Christmas comes
        We give to our relations
        And perhaps we give a little to the poor
        If the generosity should seize us
        But if any one of us should interfere
        In the business of why they are poor
        They get the same as the rebel Jesus

        • Sorry about the brain issue there with Jackson Browne. Wrong Brown(e), right song.

        • wow…that’s one of Jackson’s better, more lucid moments. haven’t seen anything that good since “Doctor My Eyes”. Nice catch.

  14. David Cornwell says

    As to saints: I once knew an uncertified Saint who was not Catholic, wouldn’t know what a Pope was if he walked down the street, and didn’t even have good grammar. Often when he prayed people were healed. He never became widely known, did not have good grammar and certainly never attended seminary. He was a man of simple faith in Jesus. He was a pleasure to be around and have a conversation with. Mr. Stevens, someday, when new heaven and new earth become our place of eternal abode, I hope to see you again.

  15. I’m mostly neutral on the site changes – it’s just a vessel to carry the words, and it seems quite adequate to do the job. But what happened to the homeless guy pushing his cart? It may seem minor, but to me he symbolized our journey, our homelessness, in the evangelical wilderness.

  16. Piper: “So I sympathize with any confusion on this matter, and I pray that the Lord would give you light to see that it’s really not very complicated: God has ordained that in the home and in the church men assume a special role of responsible leadership and teaching.”

    C’mon, people, can’t you see how simple this issue is! We need to all forget about Junia and cultural context so the Lord can give us light to see the true simplicity of this issue.

    • I know this is anecdotal, but I’ve noticed that the female pastors I have met seem a lot more suited to the task than the male pastors I have met. I know this is fairly subjective, and I think it’s because male pastors seem to me to be more Law-oriented than their female counterparts.

      • David Cornwell says

        I agree with you. Women bring a quality to the pastorate that many men do not possess. Male pastors tend to be more competitive and power driven which sometimes dilutes other good qualities. Many churches come to dearly love their female pastor or associate pastor.

      • Very interesting observation, Tom and David. Where the men seem to be competitive and set on building up their own power base, could it be that women are more nurturing? More shepherd(ess)-like?

        Interesting thought…

        • I’ve thought the main reason for no women pastors is that some men (usually the ones insisting that there cannot be women pastors) have a hard time listening to them. Kind of like they tune out their mothers or wives….

        • Have frequently noticed the shepherd-ess quality…..so maybe I’m NOT crazy ??? To misquote Tozer: men are looking for better methods….GOD is looking for better women….. there, that should wake up somebody… :-0

        • I’m not sure if I can express this well, or even if I manage that, if you dear brothers (not snarky, I mean it) will understand. But here goes.

          To step into the realm of “women are less competitive” or “women are more nurturing” or “women are more qualified to be pastors simply because they are female and they have some sort of je ne se quois that men don’t have” is to go straight to the flip side of Piper’s coin, which is: a culturally-conditioned and defined concept of “masculine” and “feminine” norms. Now, on one hand, that’s all we’re ever going to have in terms of definitions; all cultures do it, all the time. (See chapter 4 of Volf’s “Exclusion and Embrace” for the most awesome and sane discussion of this topic.) But it’s a big mistake to call these – or any – cultural norms “biblical” as Piper and others do. I can’t find a single place in scripture where “masculine” or “feminine” traits are listed as such. And though you mean well, you guys are not helping the cause by this sort of talk, because you’re engaging on the same mistaken terms as Piper: the current cultural norms and definitions.

          ***Reality*** is that if one takes a list of “masculine” traits and a list of “feminine” traits and constructs a “spectrum” of traits, and then looks at a population of men and a population of women, one finds more variation along the spectrum among all women and all men, than one finds when comparing men and women. In other words, as many men will have “feminine traits” as women, and as many women will have “masculine traits” as men. (I hope that makes sense.)

          The reasons that the women pastors you’re mentioning are good pastors have to do with the human qualities that make good pastors. They have them. That’s good. They have them because they’re human. Of course, gender is part of being human, and it contributes to the formation of each person’s point of view. But it’s not The Defining Quality of any one person. We have to get away from seeing it as such.

          I’m not completely sure what “the answer” is, but I think part of it is to be able to discuss a person’s *human* traits without necessarily explicitly linking them to the person’s gender as the reason why he or she is “that way”. It’s going to take some careful thought.

          Thanks for letting me vent a little.


          • Beautifully and profoundly said, Dana. I find it very hard to have gender-based loyalties or expectations, given a lifetime of experience with men and women. Let us be Christ-like.

          • David Cornwell says

            Yes, the masculine-feminine thing is overblown to an extent. I agree with that, because every man and every women falls somewhere along a scale. But to say there is not a difference when the totality is considered is also wrong. Some women do fall way over into traditional male categories, and vice-versa. No one said they didn’t. I believe the same is true for sexuality.

            So– maybe is would be more accurate to say that people who have traditional feminine characteristics are more nurturing, etc. I never meant to say that they are better at every aspect of ministry because ministry is multi-faceted and complex. But I do believe that men have so dominated ministry that they often use the power they have to preserve status. A little balance is needed.

            During my teen years I had a pastor, a male, who had a wonderful balance in “human” characteristics that made him very good for our community, our family, and me. But I also know power driven males where status, rank, salary, and position become the driving force. Some become bishops are rise to the top churches. Now I’m starting to see some women doing the same things.

            I agree, it isn’t a black and white issue.

      • I agree with this as well. Two of my best friends our female pastors. I think my wife and I would trust them with many things that a lot of male pastors I know. Also, after being around them, I have doubt that they are truly called to be pastors.

  17. Guess I’m shallow: the 2 major points I gleaned from this article, at first reading, are 1- Over the Rhine has a new album. Yay! Off to iTunes or Amazon to d/l it , probably Monday. Thank you for introducing me to this group. And 2 – NASA scientists discovered antimatter in thunderstorms. Forget Robert Langdon – get Capt. Picard and Wesley “the dork” Crusher. 🙂 Hey, don’t blame me – my then-teenage daughter called him a dork, not me.

    To prove I’m not so shallow, I’ll be going to the sites recommended and reading about women pastors (or lack thereof) and British evangelicals.

    Meanwhile, I’m refusing to listen to people turn the tragedy of the Arizona shooting into another political machination between liberals and conservatives. Can we all agree the shooting is a tragedy and let the families grieve??

    • I find humor in tea-party darling Sarah Palin defending herself as a member of the collective. I thought the tea party treats the collective as the enemy, or are we supposed to believe that they are the good kind of collective? They have a real problem on their hands: how can they blame politics, culture, and government regulation for all our problems and proclaim the virtues of personal freedom, then turn around to defend the same collective society which they are so busy tearing down? It’s time the tea party puts down their copies of “Atlas Shrugged”. At the heart of Ayn Rand is an attack on collective culture – even to the point of defending violence.

      • Ox, it’s comments like your’s that make me wonder if liberals live in an alternate reality slightly different from the one the rest of us live in. Sarah Palin meant that she is an American like any other one. She’s not some crazy or a nut, but she has the same values as the majority of Americans. How you turn that into some kind of Borg collective is beyond me.
        “how can they blame politics, culture, and government regulation for all our problems and proclaim the virtues of personal freedom, then turn around to defend the same collective society which they are so busy tearing down?” Wow. Try actually looking at what the tea party argues instead of setting up straw men. Here, I’ll help you out. Go check out Bill Whittle’s series on what we believe: http://www.declarationentertainment.com/vault

        Oh, and America is, for better and worse, an individualist society, not a collectivist one. And we’re not the ones trying to fundamentally transform it. That would be the other side of the spectrum that wants that. We’ll put down our “Atlas Shrugged” (which is, admittedly, difficult for me since I’ve never read it and don’t plan to) when you put down your “Rules for Radicals.” Capiche?

  18. “We recently looked at a survey saying that a majority of evangelicals in America believe you can get to heaven by being good.”

    Recently in a discussion at my church someone said something to the effect of “I think as long as you’re a good person God will accept you.”

    Unfortunately, this is not rare.

    • My mother’s former pastor said he didn’t think it was possible for Democrats to go to heaven, and he wasn’t in the middle of a joke. He was serious! Which is more absurd?

  19. “Tá an suíomh nua ar fáil i dteangacha éagsúla, lena n-áirítear na hÉireann ach le haghaidh Martha.”

    Go raibh míle maith agaibh! 🙂

    Now, in no particular order: I like the new re-design, it seems very clean and light. As for Mr. Piper, his second reason for why women can’t be pastors is pretty much why the Catholic Church says women can’t be priests. So there’s a point of agreement there, though there’s certainly as much disagreement from certain quarters about this (the WomenPriests movement, who are “ordaining” their own “priests” and “bishops” just for one). I tended to grit my teeth a little about that when I was younger (C.S. Lewis, even though I appreciate him greatly, did not seem to me convincing in his arguments about priestesses versus priests) but accept I did, and as I’ve gotten older, I’m less affronted and more “Okay, I don’t completely understand, but I agree, accept and obey”.

    I think it’s a different matter in Protestant denominations where the structure of authority is different in each, not to mention the understanding of the role and nature of the priesthood (especially where there is a denial that such an office as the priesthood exists, or exists outside of a notional ‘priesthood of all believers’) and I suppose where it’s up to each local congregation to make their own rules, so they can decide whether or not women are eligible, then this can be decided by vote. But at the same time, I wouldn’t say that those arguing against Women’s Ordination or women as pastors are motivated by misogyny or are getting the Bible all wrong, nor is it confined to America – see the division in the Church of England recently about women bishops.

    On the other hand, CNN’s “No. 1 reason” for why Pope John Paul II “mattered” makes me want to slap somebody. “John Paul II turned the role of pontiff into global celebrity”. No, that doesn’t matter, actually. And talk about historical blindness – oh, if it didn’t happen in the 20th century, then it didn’t happen at all! Popes were “global celebrities” a long time ago, even before television and satellites. The “Prisoner of the Vatican” is a status only dating from 1870 and even that ended in 1929.

    A month of Christian radio? No problem; I regularly listen to this programme which is broadcast on Sunday mornings:


    Tim Thurston Sunday, 7.00am-9.00am

    Join Tim Thurston for a millennium of sacred music from Gregorian Chant to contemporary Choral works. Each week Gloria journeys through one of the two-hundred surviving Cantatas of Johann Sebastian Bach, which offer an astonishing range of glorious music.”

    Or is that not the kind of Christian music they mean? I don’t think I’ve ever heard Tim rocking out to “The Newsboys” (who they?) 😉

    And lastly, Jeff, what do you have against “F Troop”? I can’t agree that it’s the worst tv programme ever; I have seen it (though I’ve never seen an episode of “Gilligan’s Island” since our national TV station never purchased that show) and I thought it was very funny. Okay, I was twelve at the time, but I have seen worse since.

    • “The new site is available in several languages, including Irish, but for Martha. Thank you!”

      (That’s from translate.google.com. I don’t speak a word of Irish.)

      Speaking of translations: The Hekawi Indians on F-Troop got their name from asking, “Where the heck are we?” it was mistranslated “We’re the Hekawi.”

      • But Ted, check out Wikipedia which says, “The original name for the tribe, ‘Fugawi’, was to be changed after the censors discovered the sentence ‘Where the Fugawi?’ ” 😉

        • Joanie Joanie Joanie…

          Martha, Joanie just answered your question about why I think F Troop to be so bad…

          But you’re right–there is worse…


  20. More Christian radio, for those who can’t find it on KLOVE:



    Now that I got your attention.. 😀

    Before I lost my faith in God I listened to KLove regularly. I listened through the internet, and (God forbid…) pledged money to them, of which I still owe $50.00!! 😯

    Here in DC I cant get them on the radio so I listened through the internet AND much worse I put the “Positive, Christian Family Music Bumper sticker” on my car!!!!! AND ITS STILL THERE!!!!!

    Is forgivness possible. I’ve wondered what some of teh agnositcs would say if they knew, or saw it at a meeting?!?


    Eagle (recovering KLOVE music junkie…)

  22. John Paul II died on the eve of the feast of Divine Mercy, a devotion begun in Poland – how fitting that he will be beatified on the feast itself; and also on the first day of the month of Mary.

  23. I must have missed something. When did matter+anti-matter start producing clean/pure energy? Annihilation of positrons gives you 512+ KeV photons, but unfortunately we are only able to easily manipulate photons of energies of the 10’s of eV or less. You’d have to absorb the photons in a thick absorber and try to boil water–just like other nuclear reactors. (unless you can use the Earth’s magnetic field as part of a giant MHD system; and if that was feasible you’d concentrate on the solar wind and forget about the itty-bitty positron contributions.) And you’d have to shield yourself from the photons…

    Does Bach count as Christian music?

    • No. Bach is music for those pleasure loving pagans. Christian music needs to be from a group that began anywhere from the mid-70’s onward, contain cheesy lovey-dove lyrics, and must sound outdated.

      Or didn’t you know that? 😉

  24. Ek is jammer, maar die Afrikaanse vertaling is gruwelooslik.

  25. I realize I’m horribly late to a story that I helped perpetuate, but I thought I’d just make a note:

    If you’re a fan of KLOVE, rock on. If you get up to the locally owned and operated Christian Station and have it on at work, I’m happy you’re listening. If you give to the local non-profit station (hint, hint) that doesn’t resort to scammy-sounding herbal medication ads, I’m an admirer or you. If you know the past 20+ years of Adventures in Odyssey by heart or absentmindedly hum the Insight for Living theme when driving, I’m in your boat. Complaining about radio isn’t just a Christian thing, nor is it a contemporary thing (as Larry Norman and Rush will attest to 30-40 years ago).

    But the idea that listening to only Christian Music is a formula that will change your life is kind of silly. As a friend once mentioned to me when a another station tried this stunt, this doesn’t work in real life — he’s in a Jazz Band. That it’s direct benefactor is the one promoting it is kind of questionable as well.

    But if you need good music to listen to — Aradhna has a new album out this month. Look them up, they’re a mix of Indian music and Western pop. It’s quite good.