October 31, 2020

Saturday Brunch, June 2, 2018

Hello, friends, and welcome to the weekend? Ready for some brunch?

The Egypt Exploration Society has recently published a Greek papyrus that is likely the earliest fragment of the Gospel of Mark, dating it from between A.D. 150–250. A couple years ago, some scholars had teased the fragment would date from the first century. Even though it’s not quite that old, it is still quite a bit older than any other Marcan fragment.

ABC fired Roseanne after she sent out a racist and offensive tweet. She later apologized and blamed it on Ambien. The makers of Ambien were quick to point out that racism is not, in fact, a side effect of their drug.

Of course, not everyone thought comparing a black woman to apes was racist. I mean, c’mon. Roseanne didn’t actually say, “I’m racist and I hate blacks”, did she? No. So there is room for interpretation, right?

Radio Host Bill Mitchell: I’m not sure how saying someone looks like a child of “Muslim Brotherhood and Planet of the Apes” is racist. I thought “Muslim Brotherhood” was supposed to be a “good” thing and Liberals say we are descended from apes? What am I missing here?

Ted Nugent: So Roseanne referencing a movie title is racist. Lying dishonest soulless freaks from Planet of the Apes.

CRTV host Gavin McInnes: So we’re all going to sit here and pretend that Roseanne meant that joke in a racist way?

Alex Jones: “If you compare some black lady to looking simian, well there’s a reason because we are primates. That’s why there are so many comparisons to humans and monkeys and to apes, because some people look more like it than others. There are some white people that look more like apes than other white people, there are some black people that look more ape-like than other black people. I look ape-like. With my shirt off, in my birthday suit, I look like a gorilla. I mean, I don’t have to work out. I’ve got a big chest, big arms, big legs, I’m bow-legged, my feet are flat. My dad is somewhat simian-looking too. It’s just the way it is, and I’m proud of it.”

So, this happened at a baseball game last week, providing more action and entertainment in 90 seconds than the game provided in three hours:

Did you hear about the new food for your cook-out: Carrot Dogs. Yeah. That’s right. You put a carrot in a hot dog bun and throw some ketchup on it. The Washington Post puts it more elegantly:

Choose the largest, thickest carrots you can find; they shrink during cooking, and you can always trim the narrow end to fit the bun.

Serve these carrot dogs nestled in buns with the toppings such as vegetarian chili, cheddar, chopped onion, sauerkraut, kimchi, pickles/relish, ketchup and spicy mustard. Make Ahead: The charred and peeled carrots can be refrigerated for up to 1 week; reheat them on a grill or in a 200-degree oven.

Paige Patterson was stripped of all titles and privileges. A week after trustees voted to immediately shift Patterson to “president emeritus” at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary (SWBTS), the board’s executive committee has stripped the Southern Baptist stalwart of all “benefits, rights and privileges.” Last Tuesday, a former SEBTS graduate student told The Washington Post that after she reported her rape to Patterson and fellow seminary officials in 2003, they failed to notify authorities and the former president encouraged her to forgive the perpetrator. Patterson did not respond to the claims, but SEBTS launched an internal review of its own.

You know what I love? The annual Comedy Wildlife Photo Awards (now in its fourth year). Contributions are still being sent in, but they have released a few favorites so far:

“Frank, for the last time: You’re NOT a penguin!!!”

Jean Claude Van Squirrel

“That was the dog….Really.”


“Mike, we’ve practiced this dance a thousand times and you still don’t get it!”

My costume is working. The White House Security Guards are ignoring me.

“I cannot BELIEVE I forgot her birthday again!”

“Have you heard the one about the priest, the lawyer and the doctor diving in the shark zone?”

And then she said, “I only racist-tweeted because of Ambien!”

“Sam, I can’t make it…save yourself!”

“Honey, that is NOT what the IKEA directions said to do!”

“The hills are alive…with the sound of moosic”

“You will not BELIEVE what Karen said”

“I feel pretty…oh so pretty”

“And another thing. Stop sitting there with that stunned look on your face like you don’t know what I’m talking about. You know EXACTLY what I’m talking about!”

Jesse Duplantis made news this week when he asked his followers to pony up 54 million for a new jet. Of course, he already has a jet, silly… “but I can’t go it one stop. And if I can do it one stop, I can fly it for a lot cheaper, because I have my own fuel farm. And that’s what’s been a blessing of the Lord.” Besides, he’s just being Christlike:  “If the Lord Jesus Christ was physically on the earth today, he wouldn’t be riding a donkey. He’d be in an airplane flying all over the world.”

Duplantis’ fellow-evangelist Kenneth Copeland recently upgraded to a new jet as well. If you have five minutes and a VERY strong stomach, you can see the two men defend their aquisition of these jets:

Later in the week, the Babylon Bee reported some good news for Duplantis:

DESTREHAN, LA—In a public appearance with the prosperity gospel televangelist Tuesday, Lucifer the Prince of Darkness committed to matching all donations dollar for dollar that disciples of Jesse Duplantis make for his new private luxury jet.

“I hereby vow to double every dollar you give to help my friend Jesse get his new $54 million Falcon 7X,” Satan said at the press conference, as a smiling Duplantis looked on. “Together, we can help him reach his fundraising goal and spread his demonic message of abundance and prosperity all across the globe.”

“Please, if you can find it in your heart, make a love offering today,” Satan added in a solemn plea.

Satan promised to wire the funds from his account in the underworld straight to Duplantis’s ministry as soon as he reaches half of his fundraising goal. The pair claim to have had a long working relationship, with Satan contributing his demonic power to the minister’s last three jet purchases and helping to provide a large portion of the televangelist’s underlying theology.

Let’s end with some pictures of the week, courtesy of the Atlantic

Graduates dance as they take part in a “Last school bell” ceremony at a school in Minsk, Belarus May 30, 2018. REUTERS/Vasily Fedosenko – RC1FBEE2F370

People dressed as a dancing devils with giant mask dance on a street, during a traditional celebration in Naiguata, Venezuela, Thursday, May 31, 2018. Carrying in their hands striking masks mostly animals and sea monsters, hundreds of men, women and children went out to dance frantically as possessed by evil spirits in an ancient ritual known as Dancing Devils of Naiguata, the unorthodox way of the coastal towns of Venezuela to venerate God during the celebrations of Corpus Christi. (AP Photo/Ariana Cubillos)

A fawn attempts to get on his feet with mommy’s support just minutes after it was born in a Zoo in Belgrade, Serbia, Tuesday, May 29, 2018. (AP Photo/Darko Vojinovic)

TOPSHOT – A gust of wind blows Pope Francis’ mantel as he meets the Carabinieri during the general audience in Saint Peter’s square at the Vatican on May 30, 2018. (Photo by TIZIANA FABI / AFP) (Photo credit should read TIZIANA FABI/AFP/Getty Images)

Romania’s Simona Halep eyes the ball as she plays Taylor Townsend, of the U.S, during their second round match of the French Open tennis tournament at the Roland Garros stadium, Thursday, May 31, 2018 in Paris. (AP Photo/Alessandra Tarantino)

U.S. Air Force Major Paul “Loco” Lopez performs in an F-22 Raptor during the AirPower Over Hampton Roads JBLE Air and Space Expo at Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Virginia, U.S. May 18, 2018. Picture taken May 18, 2018. U.S. Air Force/Staff Sgt. Areca T. Bell/Handout via REUTERS.

PAHOA, HI – MAY 25: Residents watch as lava from a Kilauea volcano fissure advances on a roadway in Leilani Estates, on Hawaii’s Big Island, on May 25, 2018 in Pahoa, Hawaii. Following a magnitude 4.4 earthquake today centered in the summit region of the Kilauea volcano, an ash plume was sent from the volcano at least 10,000 feet skyward, according to the National Weather Service. (Photo by Mario Tama/Getty Images)

Activists from Greenpeace affix an imitation breathing mask to the Diana the Huntress statue in a protest action to demand clean air and non-polluting public transport, in Mexico City, Wednesday, May 30, 2018. A press release from the group said that Greenpeace began its work in Mexico 25 years ago with a similar protest over the poor air quality in the Mexican capital, and that a proliferation of private cars and lax emissions controls has since worsened conditions throughout the country. (AP Photo/Rebecca Blackwell)

An Ultra-Orthodox Jewish girl collects harvested wheat which will later be used to make matza, the traditional unleavened bread eaten during the Jewish holiday of Passover, near kibbutz Magen, Israel, May 30, 2018. REUTERS/Amir Cohen – RC147A0A19A0

TOPSHOT – Models wait before presenting eco-fashion using recycled or biodegradable materials during the ‘Fashion for Sustainable Future’ event by UN Environment in Kisumu, Kenya, on May 31, 2018. – ‘Beat Plastic Pollution’ will be the theme of this year’s World Environment Day on June 5. (Photo by Yasuyoshi CHIBA / AFP) (Photo credit should read YASUYOSHI CHIBA/AFP/Getty Images)

A child, who’s father serves a sentence at the Jilava Prison, touches his hand in Jilava, Romania, Friday, June 1, 2018. More than 100 children, who have fathers serving time in the prison outside the Romanian capital Bucharest, were reunited for a few hours with them during an International Children’s Day event, the first of this scale in Romania. (AP Photo/Vadim Ghirda)


  1. Burro (Mule) says

    Can’t believe I’m first

    Du Plessis and Copeland are kind of low hanging fruit. Copeland looks exacrly the same as he did in 1979. That’s kinda scary.

    • Rick Ro. says

      They’re low hanging fruit, unless you’re one of the duped. I can’t believe people actually give them money.

      • There’s a lot of low-hanging fruit out there who appear to be able to dupe folk. Nigel Farage is one.

      • Christiane says

        ” I can’t believe people actually give them money.”

        Rick, that was my first thought, too.

        • Headless Unicorn Guy says

          Not just “give them money” but sign over their Social Security checks to their favorite Televangelist because he gives them that burning in their bosoms.

          Remember when that one senator tried to investigate televangelists? And was forced by the uproar to back off? When all the MenaGAWD’s followers went ballistic and wrote their congessmen and senators to Touch Not GAWD’s Anointed?

          • Dianeski says

            They prey on the elderly poor. That is what’s so disgusting.

            BTW, greetings to HUG and Christiane. This is Catholic Gate-Crasher from TWW. I don’t post over there anymore, because I got tired of getting grief from Merciless Mercy and her buds. But I miss youse guys!!! (Along with KenF, Darlene, and a few other folks.)

    • Adam Tauno Williams says

      > Copeland looks exacrly the same as he did in 1979

      I know, it is freaky. Like Castro. I’ve always said: if you want a l-o-n-g prosperous life, be evil and rich.

      • Pellicano Solitudinis says

        ‘It will have to be paid for,. It isn’t natural, and trouble will come of it!’

        • Yes, sooner or later – later, if he is strong or well-meaning to begin eith, but neither strength nor good purpose will last – sooner or later the dark power will devour him.

      • “The good die young.”

    • Kinda like Dorian Gray… and probably for the same reasons.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says

      Du Plessis and Copeland are kind of low hanging fruit.

      Given the Friday post’s subject, I bet they preach against HOMOSEXUALITY(TM) a lot more than they do against Greed.

  2. Love the comedy animal photos, the captions absolutely nail it. Babylon Bee gets it right! How anyone can think the Barr tweet was not racist is beyond me. How twisted must their minds be. Even the Australian TV channel pulled her show, with 4 episodes unseen, that shows you what most of the rest of the world thinks. Then for her to issue a non-apology only to follow up with – “it wasn’t me it was the drug” beggars belief. Talk about inhabiting a parallel universe, but I guess that’s what “celebrities” do, because no real world person certainly lives there.

    • Rick Ro. says

      –> “How anyone can think the Barr tweet was not racist is beyond me. How twisted must their minds be.”

      To me, they’re just declaring to the world, “I’m an a-hole.”

      • Christiane says

        Faithfully believing the ‘master’ who is opening and obviously these lies is ‘in’ among the ‘base’.
        Depending on who is telling the lie, it may be taken as ‘truth’. ‘Loyalty’ is everything to the ‘base’ these days.

        ” “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone,
        “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
        “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
        “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.” (Lewis Carroll)

  3. Love the comedy wildlife pics!

  4. senecagriggs says

    Savannah Bee on her TAPED T.V. show calls Ivanka Trump a “feckless c*nt.”

    Gets a wrist slap.

    Quite the double standards

    • Actually, I agree.

    • Yes, I agreed with Seneca about something. Try not to faint. 😉

    • Robert F says

      No double standard. Whatever Svannah Bee (is that her name?) deserved, racism and racist jokes are far worse than vulgar insults.

      • Ask any woman how she likes being referred to by that word. They just might disagree with you.

        • Robert F says

          Are you serious? Are you saying that use of that admittedly vulgar insult is evidence of the presence of a malignant state of mind on the order of racism?

          The women at my job who jokingly call each other that may not know.

          • Richard Hershberger says

            See also: in-group speech versus out-group speech. This is why that black rapper using the “N” word doesn’t mean it’s OK for us white folk to use it, too.

            • Robert F says

              I’m aware of that phenomenon. And I think Samantha Bee probably thought of what she was saying as an in-group joke. But I think the in-group when it comes to the usage of that word is probably just among women who are friends, which Samantha Bee and Ivanka Trump most definitely are not.

              A problem with in-group versus out-group speech is that, when there are so many out-group members in the audience, the use of such speech by someone in-group can give the wrong impression, to those with the best intentions as well as those with the worst, that, since we’re all just folks anyway, it’s okay for you to use it too! When such usage is further reinforced by members of the in-group making allowances for their out-group friends using the same speech, the cultural mixed-signal becomes even more problematic, and dangerous.

              • I believe I liked Sally Field’s reaction the most.


                Beyond that, I find it interesting that people equate a dehumanizing, racist insult targeting someone’s core being and fundamental right to exist in the world with an insult pointing out the heartless inhumanity of an individual as demonstrated by their public actions alongside the official policies, actions, negligence, and malfeasance of the government they help run. People who truly find those two things equivalent reveal more about themselves and their underlying belief systems than I believe most of them recognize.

                In both cases, the privately held corporations are taking actions they believe are best for their bottom line. That’s what private companies do and I’m not clear why anyone would expect anything different. Feel free to tell them if you believe they made the right or wrong decision. If you are able to organize enough people so it impacts advertising or some other portion of their bottom line, you can also likely alter their decisions. Even in private business, the people making decisions aren’t entirely driven by profit. Still, they have to consider it or they won’t remain in a position where they can make decisions.

                I find it disturbing that so much more media coverage and public attention this week were focused on Barr and Bee rather than things like the 1500 children separated from their parents and basically lost in the system, some of whom appear to have been sex trafficked. The Harvard report on the death toll in Puerto Rico also paled in coverage compared to the circus of coverage about two TV shows. I feel sometimes like we are living in the days of “bread & circuses”.

                And no, I don’t mean that hateful speech should be ignored or is somehow less important. It is all important. I’m concerned, though, that issues like the ones mentioned receive so much *less* coverage and attention. It feels to me like our collective attention is focused more and more on the transient and less on the underlying, ongoing issues that continue to harm and kill people week after week after week.

                I’ll also note that while actions taken and statements made by private businesses or individuals in response to someone’s speech do not raise any constitutional issues, statements pressuring a business or individual to limit speech by the chief of the executive branch of our national government do.

                • Robert F says

                  I agree with the criticism behind Samantha Bee’s comment, but the c-word carries sexist connotations, and sexism is as serious an evil as racism. The word, if used by males or non-friendly females, carries a very hateful connotation involving the stereotyping of a whole group of people, almost like the n-word in toxicity; it’s not just a personal insult directed at the targeted individual, but depends for its power on the negative stereotyping.

                • Robert F says

                  From what I’ve heard on NPR, Obama’s administration also lost children like that, and it happens because the kids of undocumented immigrants are put in the custody of family whenever possible, and the family may intentionally remove them from the grid, not responding to government queries because they don’t trust the government. What is new is that not just undocumented immigrants but asylum seekers are treated as if they are doing something illegal, and also separated from their children. I hadn’t heard about the sex trafficking.

                  Yes, the lack of relief efforts in Puerto Rico is yet another shameful episode in our country’s history, as was the pillaging of Puerto Rico’s economy by major American banking institutions in the decades leading up to Irma.

                  • Headless Unicorn Guy says

                    What is new is that not just undocumented immigrants but asylum seekers are treated as if they are doing something illegal, and also separated from their children. I hadn’t heard about the sex trafficking.

                    I live about 100 mi/150km north of the Mexican border.
                    Those not in “Del Norte” have no idea just how high feelings run on this issue among us Anglos. I’m surprised it took this long for things to boil over; probably The Donald acted as the final catalyst.

                • It’s all distraction and deflection. Something that this administration does easily. Inflame a racist controversy to deflect from the continuing non-response to Americans dying because they just aren’t the “right” Americans.

                  • Headless Unicorn Guy says

                    While all the Christians go “AAAAAAAA-MENNNNNNN! WHO IS LIKE UNTO THE TRUMP?”

            • +1.

              I shouldn’t have to +1 truth…

      • Rick Ro. says

        I disagree with you on this one, Robert. The use of that term is as offensive as the N-word, and what elevates it to the same level here as that Bee knows its vulgar, offensive and NEVER used except to offend to the extreme. A person trots out that term only when they want to be mean, spiteful, and offensive.

        • Robert F says

          It’s interesting that you are disagreeing with me, since I’m not sure what my opinion is — it seems to be evolving as a result of this discussion. If we factor in the sexist component of the word’s ability to shock, then I’m pretty close to you in my opinion. The one difference is the in-group/out-group phenomenon that Richard cited: If it’s okay for an in-group to use certain language about itself that an out-group shouldn’t, then we would factor in that Roseanne is not Black, but Samantha Bee is a woman. But, as a comment I made above indicates, I’m not at all sure I go along with the in-group/out-group dichotomy.

          • Rick Ro. says

            Fair enough, and it is an interesting dichotomy to think about. If Samantha Bee had been a MAN and said that about Mrs. Trump, would that elevate the outrage and disgust? Say that Trevor Noah had said that during his show… Does that put it over the top, then, whereas woman-to-woman it’s not so bad…?

            • Robert F says

              I think that that’s right, Rick Ro, in the case of what Samantha Bee said. I don’t totally go along with the in-group/out-group dichotomy, but I think it is a valid distinction up to a point, and from situation to situation. It can and has, however, led to much confusion in our society among those with basically good intentions, and has provided a malign opportunity under pretense of innocence for many with malign intentions, who use it to spread the confusion and foster hate.

          • Headless Unicorn Guy says

            Especially when you have different in-groups competing for the title of “Most Offended”.

            “There Can Be Only One…”
            — Highlander

    • Clay Crouch says

      I saw it reported in the NYT and WaPo and thought it was Fake News. Are saying it’s not?

    • Does the “c” word really need to be modified? If she had left off the “feckless” would that have made any difference?

    • Klasie Kraalogies says

      Let’s not forget it wasn’t the only racist tweet that night.

      But there is a major difference between insulting an individual in an I individual sense, and insulting an individual with long standing epithets that carry with them centuries of hatred and oppression. If you don’t get the difference you are rather dense. Not your race or your family or your nationality. Just you. (Get it now?)

      • Robert F says

        But the c-word carries sexist connotations of sexism, which is analogous with racism in its social malignancy, so I can partly see Eeyore’s point. It’s one thing if friendly women use it as an in-group joke, but is unacceptably different if I, a male, use it even in jest toward one of my women co-workers, or any other woman for that matter.

        • Klasie Kraalogies says

          Sure. I don’t dispute that it was meant in a derogatory, insulting way. But it is not the same thing. At all.

          BTW, I am no fan of Samantha Bee. Specifically her casual crudeness. It is a style of humour very popular in certain circles.

          • Robert F says

            Agree. No fan of Samantha Bee, insofar as I know her “work”. You can thank Howard Stern (with an assist from some predecessors, like Don Imus and Bob Grant) for making casual crudeness and cruelty so profitable. They pass it off as irony, as if they’re capable of that.

          • Rick Ro. says

            –> “But it is not the same thing. At all.”

            I disagree. That term is just as jarring as the N-word, and it was intended as such. Otherwise she wouldn’t have used it. The intent to offend with a word everyone knows is on a different level than others puts it on the same level as the N-word in my mind.

    • Patriciamc says

      Bee’s use of that word was awful and killed her credibility, but it would truly be a double-standard if both are on ABC, which they aren’t.

      You should be rejoicing; right-wing extremists love, love, love pulling the victim-card.

      • Headless Unicorn Guy says

        I think a lot of Progressives and Activists are Church Ladies who found another Cause.

        Both Activists and Church Ladies never seem to realize PEOPLE SAY STUPID SH*T.

  5. Alex Jones: “With my shirt off, in my birthday suit, I look like a gorilla.”

    The neighbourhood gorillas (a family who live at the zoo a mile up the road from me) wish to disassociate themselves entirely from Mr Jones, as they are peace-loving, thoughtful primates.

    • Robert F says

      Nobody mugs more like an ape of some kind, one maintaining its dominance over the tribe, than our president (not a political remark, just one based on his deportment, facial and body language as observed in his behavior on the TV screen, so those of you out there who are ready to jump on me for making a partisan political comment, please lay off!).

      • rhymeswithplague says

        “(not a political remark)” is merely a clarifying parenthetical expression that is obviously true because I said so and therefore it needs no further comment from anyone, at any time, ever.

        RRIIIIIIGGHHTT. And Roseanne is not a racist because she said so herself too.

        “0 wad some pow’r the giftie gie us,
        To see oursels as ithers see us.” —Robert Burns

        • Robert F says

          Fair enough.

          Good quote. Have you ever thought of sharing that quote ?realDonaldTrump?

          • That Other Jean says

            There really needs to be a way to upvote comments on this site. Consider yourself upvoted.

        • Great reply but it wasn’t as good as telling us on Friday he would not be posting until the fourth or fifth installment Like we are all waiting for the great oracle to speak

          • Robert F says

            I didn’t know anybody was paying such close attention to my comments; I find it fascinating that at least one or two (you among them) are. I’ll keep that in mind.

          • Robert F says

            Oh, and I love you too!

  6. Robert F says

    Ted Nugent: So Roseanne referencing a movie title is racist. Lying dishonest soulless freaks from Planet of the Apes.

    I won’t comment on his soul, though I’m tempted, but is there anybody more talentless than Ted Nugent?

    • Adam Tauno Williams says

      He makes a talent of being talentless and unoriginal.

      • flatrocker says

        oh come on.
        you’ve got to admit Ted has some Shakespearian level prose…..

        “You ran the night that you left me
        You put me in my place
        I got you in a stranglehold baby
        That night I crushed your face.”

        kinda moves one to tears.

        • Rick Ro. says

          There’s some good guitar work on that song, though!

          • Robert F says

            Yeah, Nugent would’ve been fine as a session musician and concert sideman. But as a songwriter and frontman/rock star, he sucks, even beneath the low standards of the Rock Hall of Fame. He should’ve followed the same path as Waddy Wachtel. “A man’s got to know his limitations…” — Dirty Harry,
            Magnum Force.

            • Ted Nugent used to be an occasionally interesting second tier psychedelic guitarist back in his Amboy Dukes days. I saw him open for somebody way back when. He was loud. Nugent was unusual at the time because he was vocally anti-drugs. Now he is a John Birch parody of a right winger. Might have better to do the drugs.

              • Interesting about the anti-drug angle. Didn’t know that. I do recall talking with one of my Michigan uncles who said with regard to a concert he went to, Ted was so drunk he couldn’t play. It was an early seventies conversation.

              • Robert F says

                The operative term is “second tier”, and that’s what he used to be. He’s less than that now.

                Funny that the only “hit” he had with the Amboy Dukes was “Journey to the Center of Your Mind”, a piece of musical psychedelia if ever there was one. This from an abstainer.

        • Headless Unicorn Guy says

          “You ran the night that you left me
          You put me in my place
          I got you in a stranglehold baby
          That night I crushed your face.”

          The male half of a counterpoint duet with Suzanne Vega’s “Marlene on the Wall”:


  7. Richard Hershberger says

    Roseanne, and defenses thereto: We saw a lot of this during the Obama years. Someone dredges up some sludge from the glory days of overt racism and recycles it. When called on it, the defense is that this is no way has anything to do with racism, but rather is simply legitimate political commentary. The use of old racist trope is, we are assured, purely coincidental. The most interesting part is to see who pretends to believe it. This tells us everything we need to know about said persons.

    • Yep. It really does.

    • Can’t believe all those court evangelicals didn’t run to the microphones on that one to contribute to the rage. Then again, their silence on race is defeaning.

    • Christiane says

      “The most interesting part is to see who pretends to believe it. This tells us everything we need to know about said persons.”

      Richard Hershberger, this is a profoundly wise observation.

  8. Robert F says

    I love the response of the maker of Ambien to the idea that their product could cause someone to make racist statements or jokes. So true, and funnier than anything I’ve ever heard Roseanne Barr say.

    • +1

    • Clay Crouch says

      I don’t understand how the Bible, if it so critical humankind’s salvation from eternal hell, could have been transmitted in such disorganized manner. You’d have thought God would have made sure that every jot and tittle was in its place and preserved for future generations. All we have are fragments here and fragments there. Manuscripts that don’t exactly line up. Hermeneutical disagreement’s. This whole fragment business is no way to run an airline.

      I say all of this as one who is deeply in love with the scriptures and even more so with the Word made flesh.

      • Robert F says

        Yes. If it was that critical, and if God was that kind of God, Jesus would’ve written it down himself, and used miraculous powers to secure it from ever being tampered with. But it is not that critical, and God is not that kind of God.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says

      A case of “Instant Asshole — Just add Ambien”?

  9. Robert F says

    Dating fragments of ancient texts involves a lot of judgment calls on the part of the scholars involved. I don’t place much of the weight of my faith on it.

    • Actually paleography is quite interesting. I’m reliably informed that we can now date ancient Greek manuscripts to within 50 years of composition. It’s done by analyzing writing styles which changed slowly in the ancient world. The 50 year window is because a scribe or copyist who learned to write when he was 20 would probably write the same way for the entire length of his career.

      The controversy about this manuscript is that it was sold as a first century find when it was clearly not.

      • Robert F says

        Fifty years makes the difference between the first and second centuries. In terms, for instance, of the chronology of biological evolution, fifty years is nothing; in terms of human history, something that happened fifty years earlier is a lifetime (in the ancient world) and a cultural world, or worlds, away.

        • In the ancient world 50 years meant little since most people lived as their parents did and this states of affairs lasted for millennia. The modern cultural churn is the exception not the rule. A Greek of 100 BCE would have had little to distinguish his life from a Greek of 100 CE.

          But let’s not miss the actual issue here. Since at least 2011 some members of the evangelical community have been touting a “first century” manuscript of the Gospel of Mark that had been validated by experts. These “experts” were under non-disclosure agreements (a pernicious device) and could not discuss it. Now we find out that all that was bunk and they knew it was bunk while they were touting it. The fragment has been validated by an actual expert and so at last we find out the truth.

          • Robert F says

            Totally agree with the perniciousness of the bunk.

          • I think a Greek of 100BCE would find life quite a bit different than life in 100CE. Among other things the the disturbances of the late Roman Republic were replaced by the relative internal peace of the Roman Empire.

  10. Ronald Avra says

    “Carrot dogs” Another idea that I’m grateful has never occurred to me.

  11. I wonder how many people that left the SBC or were forced out are surprised by the news that came out about the way Patterson has treated women over the years? I am not surprised about the news, but his eventual firing still makes me want to pinch myself to see if I alive and his firingl actually happened.

    The days ahead should be very interesting ones in the SBC. Women are speaking up and telling their stories.

    Good for them.

    • Adam Tauno Williams says

      Waiting to see if there is a coup and they invite him back.

    • Well, it took two tries- the first was a soft landing, even after he said there was nothing to apologise for because he didn’t do anything wrong. I know reporting a crime to the police is covered differently under various state clergy-penitent statutes. But it seems a number of SBC officials lean toward the patriarchal-authoritarian view that everything should stay in-house, no matter how egregious. It speaks more for preserving organizational public image than true concern for justice, especially towards the victims. And like the dust-up with Doug McKissic, this second try only came about after bad press. Oh, this year’s meeting should be a Whopper!

    • Patriciamc says

      Patterson and the men with him wanted to hear all the details about the rape. That’s quite telling. Also, many think this was just an opportunity used by the Calvinists to oust the only non-Calvinists in a position of power in the SBC, further showing the rot that’s at the core pf the denomination.

      One day, Christians will come to realize that complementarianism is a major contributor of abuse.

      • Headless Unicorn Guy says

        Patterson and the men with him wanted to hear all the details about the rape. That’s quite telling.

        Pornography for the Pious(TM).
        How else can such MenaGawd get their porn fix of all the JUICY details and still stay Godly and Respectable?

  12. Does the Pope have a jet?

    • Klasie Kraalogies says

      Nope. The Vatican charters a plane 3 or 4 times a year when he does these big visits, normally an Alitalia one, to the destination country, after which he flies in the local national carrier.

      And remember he is a head of state, not some uneducated rinky dink con man.

      (I have my issues, quite a lot them, with the RCC, but this ain’t one)

      • Actually I wasn’t attacking the Pope. Just curious. $54 million seems pricey to me. We launch satellites for less than that. So if I plunk that much money down for a jet that bad boy better be able to take me into at least low earth orbit or no sale!

        • I don’t know. $54 million seems about right. After all, it can approach speeds close to the sound barrier, has noise-limiting acoustic technology, a Bluetooth-enabled entertainment center and an optional in-flight shower. Ain’t God good!!

  13. Klasie Kraalogies says

    Incidentally, I just came across a etymological study of the c word. It was the standard word till the 17th century for said body part, after which it got replaced by vagina, which came from the Latin via French, and literally means the sheath where a sword is slided into. As someone observed in the same piece of writing, incidentally at the same time all mention of female orgasm disappeared from literature. So actually, despite the intended insult, the v word is much more derogatory in its mysogenist(?) origin than the c word…

    • Rick Ro. says

      –> “I just came across a etymological study of the c word.”

      I wonder what a etymological study of the n word would uncover? I’d be curious if at one time it was more “acceptable” and evolved into a derogatory term, or if it’s always been intended as such.

      • Klasie Kraalogies says

        Not sure what that would yield, but the Afrikaans equivalent, the k-word, was derived from the Arabic for heathen. An unusual origin to say the least.

      • That Other Jean says

        Rick, you asked (I expect this to go straight to moderation anyway).

        According to the Online Etymology Dictionary, “nigger” was never anything but a derogatory term. It stems from the French and Spanish words for “black”, and its first recorded use was in a dialect found in Scotland and Northern England, as “neger.” Its present form was recorded in 1786. It has also been used to describe dark-skinned people in India, Australia, and Polynesia. Apparently, it has always meant to indicate the inferiority of people held in contempt by the speaker.

        • Headless Unicorn Guy says

          In a sane world, it would have been reserved as a term for “black trash”.

          One of my favorite poets has been Rudyard Kipling, and he uses it now and then. Though definitely not a complement, in Victorian England it was nowhere near the blood insult it is in today’s America. Kipling most often uses it to mean Indian, NOT African; from context clues, it was apparently a Victorian word for “dark-skinned foreigner”.

          This parallels the portrayal of Black Africans in European art before the slave trade really got going. Before that , they were considered “funny-looking foreigners”, emphasis on “foreign”. Definitely inferior, but more like those white guys in the next kingdom over than subhumans. But then, when you’re getting rich from enslaving them wholesale, you have to ease your consciences somewhat…

  14. Klasie Kraalogies says

    Again, as a general remark, using the colloquial or derogatory names for female genitals as insults is just wrong. As Trevor Noah remarked, they are immensely strong organs. Babies come out of them. While with men… we just sit wrong and then we are in serious trouble…

  15. seneca griggs says

    Would Joe Biden have won the Presidency instead of Mr. Trump if Biden had been allowed to be the Democrat candidate?

    • I think so. No one can deny that Hillary was an awful candidate. I held my nose and voted for her to keep something worse from happening. But the few Americans who voted preferred the SOMETHING WORSE so here we are. But aside from a war most of the damage Trump is doing can be reversed. What bothers me is what comes next? Once you’ve lowered the bar this low who can’t get elected? I thought George Bush Jr would be the worst president I would see in my lifetime but look at what we got. What self-respecting populace elects a lout like Donald Trump? Hillary would have just been a third Obama term. How bad would that have been, really? Like this?

      • Robert F says

        The damage that can’t be easily reversed is the damage he is doing by getting retrogressive judges into the federal court system, many of them quite young. They will do damage for a generation.

        • That Other Jean says

          Our standing in the world, after we have abandoned our allies and broken trade agreements, may be extremely hard to get back. Other countries will forge other alliances, and we will be left out. They will find they don’t actually need us. We may well end up feared for our weapons, but isolated as a rogue state.

          • Christiane says

            My father’s homeland of Canada is appalled at what Trump is doing, seemingly without any ‘control’ or pushback from the other branches of our government. It’s only been a little over a year, but it’s getting harder to remember what our country was like when we didn’t have a dictator.

          • Patriciamc says

            And not just us as a government, but us (or rather, we) as a people! We as a people have lost tons of credibility.

          • Headless Unicorn Guy says

            Our standing in the world, after we have abandoned our allies and broken trade agreements, may be extremely hard to get back. Other countries will forge other alliances, and we will be left out. They will find they don’t actually need us.

            Which will thrill the hearts of the End Time Prophecy/Rapture Ready types.

            During my time in-country, there was a LOT of preaching about how since America is never mentioned in Revelation, the USA would have to decline out of existence before Christ could return. (At the time, the usual predicted mechanism for this was Thermonuclear War — “IT’S PROPHESIED! IT’S PROPHESIED!”)

        • Headless Unicorn Guy says

          The damage that can’t be easily reversed is the damage he is doing by getting retrogressive judges into the federal court system, many of them quite young. They will do damage for a generation.

          Isn’t that what all the Pro-Lifers were gushing about 20-30 years ago?

          “All we need is a Republican President who’ll appoint Supreme Court Justices who’ll overturn Roe v Wade and bring back Prayer in Schools and Return us to a Christian Nation!”?

          • Patriciamc says

            The funny thing is that I don’t think the Republicans will ever outlaw abortion. They’d lose too many votes. Their strategy is to talk big and do nothing.

            • Headless Unicorn Guy says

              And the Christians have been swallowing it wholesale since Reagan.

              As any Televangelist can tell you, Christians are the Easiest Marks.
              “You be the Mugu,
              I be the Masta!”

              • Headless Unicorn Guy says

                Note: The above is a lyric excerpt from this Nigerian pop song about a con man:
                (“Mugu” is Nigerian slang for “fool” in the sense of “easy mark”. “419” is a scam. “National Airport” is a reference to the biggest swindle in Nigerian criminal history.)

              • Headless Unicorn Guy says

                Note: The above is a lyric excerpt from this Nigerian pop song about a con man:
                (“Mugu” is Nigerian slang for “fool” in the sense of “easy mark”. “419” is a scam. “National Airport” is a reference to the biggest swindle in Nigerian criminal history.)

    • Klasie Kraalogies says

      Biden wasn’t disallowed. He decided not to run because of the death of his son.

      And yes, I think he would have won.

    • Clay Crouch says

      Face it, for a lot of Americans, Christian and otherwise, evangelical Christianity has lost its credibility. Probably for a long time to come. Hopefully the mainlines can reclaim “evangelical” from all of the damage done.

    • Would you have voted for Joe Biden for President in 2016 if he had run?

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says

      In 2016, both major parties ended up running their WORST possible candidate.

      In the Dems, this was Triumph of the Clinton Machine’s Will.
      In the GOP, it was “I’M MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE! STICK IT TO ‘EM!” reaching critical mass.

      Any Democrat other than Hillary would have beaten Trump by a landslide.
      Any Republican other than Trump would have beaten Hillary by a landslide.

  16. Patriciamc says

    I’m putting on my fashionable tin-foil hat here and dipping a manicured toe into conspiracy theory land because sometimes I wonder if the most egregious anti-Donald attacks are actually paid for by Donny Moscow himself. He is a master manipulator, after all. Maybe a way to direct some attention off Roseanne and back to him? God Don, the man who made Memorial Day about himself.

    • As some reporters have found out, he has many voicss in disguise. Melania’s latest report from nowhere sounds just like her husband ghost-wrote it.

      • Patriciamc says

        He did write his own doctor’s note…

      • Christiane says

        I hope she is okay. She seems a very decent person and a good mother.

      • Robert F says

        Melania’s latest report from nowhere sounds just like her husband ghost-wrote it.

        I hope she isn’t an actual ghost at this point, but I wouldn’t put this Administration above any deception, even one covering-up the death of a presidential spouse.

  17. I feel fortunate not to have a TV or do social media (unless you count this place as sm). It was only with the current controversy that I even know who Samantha Bee is. It was only a month ago that I discovered Jordan Peterson. OMG. That poor man. He not only has fans. He has disciples. What a fate.

  18. Headless Unicorn Guy says

    First of all, Roseanne Barr has always been a Major-League JERK.
    (Though the video seems to have cropped out the crotch-grab climax.)

    No surprise she’d shoot off her mouth (or Twitter finger) like this.

    Local morning drive-time radio commented about Roseanne’s post-cancellation six-hour Twitterstorm with “Long before Donald Trump, Roseanne was the original Crazy Tweeter.”