July 13, 2020

Saturday Brunch, January 13, 2018

Hello, Friends, and welcome the weekend? Ready for some brunch?

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The Golden Globes were last Sunday. Everybody’s talking about the big speech Oprah made — and a lot of people say she should run for president. But I don’t think President Oprah is going to  happen:

  • Why would she choose a demotion?
  • With a smaller house?
  • Oprah is Harpo backwards and what’s Harpo’s last name? Marx! We aint electing no communist!
  • It would be too weird at her State of the Union, when Congress keeps checking under their seats for a free car. “YOU GET A CAR AND YOU GET A CAR!”

On the other hand, did you see this from a Boondocks cartoon….12 years ago:

The Oprah scene appears in Season 1, Episode 9 of the series, called "Return of the King."

On Monday,  President Trump held a bipartisan meeting on immigration reform, which focused mainly on reforming our policy of allowing immigrants.  On Wednesday President Trump said he would not sign a bill to replace the DACA immigration program that does not include funding for a border wall. Yes…the wall, again. Man, I thought that was over. How about this idea: Let’s just tell him the wall is built; he’s never going to check. We will just tell him its big and manly and, by the way, Hillary fell off it onto the Mexico side at the ribbon cutting ceremony. Then we can move on.

I saw a link promising the world’s largest picture frame. I was not prepared for this:

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Yes, kiddos, that is a 450 foot high picture frame in Dubai (of course, Dubai),  offering up panoramic views of the skyline while framing views of iconic buildings such as the Burj Khalifa for visitors and residents all across the city. Visitors can now ascend the structure to its 280 foot long viewing bridge, which features a glass-floored walkways. A neon ‘vortex’ tunnel will then usher visitors into an interactive, augmented reality exhibition on the history and future of the city. Here is a short video with more information:

Moody Bible Institute announced Thursday that President J. Paul Nyquist and Chief Operating Officer Steve Mogck have resigned, while Provost Junias Venugopal has retired.  The school has lost enrollment and had to cut some programs ans staff. The board of trustees said the move was made because of “widespread concerns over the direction” of the school.

“They are godly, honorable men to whom we entrust to the Lord and offer our deep gratitude for their years of faithful service to Christ and to Moody. However, we are unanimous in our decision that it is time for a new season of leadership. I ask that you be in prayer for them and their families.”

Also,  Richard Stearns has announced his plans to retire from World Vision at the end of 2018. He has served two decades as president of one of America’s largest charities.

I read this week about a company that’s working on technology that would let you make video calls with your pets. It’s might be fun to video call my dog, but I imagine my cats would just decline the call, which would be depressing. Recall that last year another company promised that it would, in a few years, develop a pet translation device. So, conceivably you could combine the two techs, and have online conversation with Rover. Though, really, what is he going to say?

Chaplain Mike sent me this. I’m not sure if he’s not trying to tell me something about my writing…

How to Avoid Mixing Your Metaphors


It’s not rocket surgery.

First, get all your ducks on the same page.

After all, you can’t make an omelet

Without breaking stride.


Be sure to watch what you write

with a fine-tuned comb.

Check and re-check until the cows turn blue.

Its as easy as falling off a piece of cake.


Don’t worry about opening up

a whole hill of beans:

you can burn that bridge when you come to it,

if you follow where I’m coming from.


Concentrate! keep your door closed

And your enemies closer.

Finally, don’t take the moral high horse:

if the metaphor fits, walk a mile in it.


Brian Bilston

In National Affairs, Rishabh Bhandari and Thomas Hopson argue that “identity politics” is a problem on the left and the right:

Identity politics is not just a problem of the left. It is a way of thinking that pervades our self-understanding. Our rancorous political conversation now consists of three competing theories of identity in America — three stories of how our differing backgrounds should shape our common political life. One of these (espoused by a significant swath of the left but increasingly co-opted by an influential minority on the right) treats politics as a continuous struggle across racial lines, and so conceives of coalitions on racial grounds. Another (advanced more commonly on the right in our time) insists that the principled distinction in our politics is not between racial groups but along the legal line of citizens versus non-citizens. Finally, the third theory of identity (espoused by some elites of both parties, and barely aware of itself as a theory of identity at all) views the other two schools of thought as pernicious and proposes its own form of identity defined by an ideal of cosmopolitan dignity.

Each of these theories, as practiced, is unstable. And each rejects the other two as un-American without really quite understanding them. It is this problem — our country’s conceptual blind spot on identity — that drives so much of our present polarization.

Bono said in a recent interview that he thinks “music has gotten too girly.” Well, you know what they say: Opinions are like U2 albums, even when you don’t want them, Bono’s gonna give ’em to you.

Sandrina Duniau, 30, of France, simply wanted to use the restroom. Unfortunately for Sandrina, she was vacationing in Australia at the time. Because blocking the door to the loo was this:

“Draw me like one of your French girls”

“It was right in the middle of the toilets blocking the entrance to the doorway and there was no way I was brave enough to go and bother it. I couldn’t believe it and thought wow — only in Australia would something like this ever happen.”

You have likely heard of the lawsuit James Damore filed against Google on Monday; it paints the company culture as extremely hostile to employees with unpopular opinions, especially conservative views, and discriminatory toward certain groups. What is fascinating (and worrisome) is not the details of the lawsuit, but the glimpse into the way the company and many of its employees view their world. Seeing details from diversity training sessions, accounts of alleged reverse discrimination, and screenshots of internal communications on company forums and message boards, we can learn a little about our tech over-lords. Here a few items from a list at The Federalist:

Plural beings: In a section claiming Google tries to “stifle” conservative parenting styles, the suit reads: “Google furnishes a large number of internal mailing lists catering to employees with alternative lifestyles, including furries, polygamy, transgenderism, and plurality, for the purpose of discussing sexual topics. The only lifestyle that seems to not be openly discussed on Google’s internal forums is traditional heterosexual monogamy.”

A footnote next to the word “plurality” adds: “For instance, an employee who sexually identifies as ‘a yellow-scaled wingless dragonkin’ and ‘an expansive ornate building’ presented a talk entitled ‘Living as a Plural Being’ at an internal company event.”

The suit also includes a screenshot of the presentation on “living as a plural being” when the presenter is discussing how to address coworkers with multiple identities. Examples of “not okay” etiquette listed include “addressing any one headmate in particular; we’re all listening!”

Our side must always dominate; your side must always accommodate. The suit claims Gudeman was fired in part because he took issue with the merits of a “derail document” written by Google manager Kim Burchett. “The thesis of this document is that on this one particular set of topics, the left-wing political frame of systematic bias, must always dominate, and the receiver must accept that frame, and its associated worldview, in their response,” the suit claims. It does not provide the actual document.

Peer Bonuses. The suit includes a screenshot of one of the emailed “peer bonuses” awarded to those who opposed Damore. “Congratulations, Simone Wu!” the email begins. “You did something so amazing that Matthew Sachs awarded you a Peer Bonus. Here’s what Matthew Sachs had to say: Simone has been doing a fantastic job speaking up for Googley values and promoting [diversity and inclusion] in the wretched hive of scum and villainy that is [Damore’s memo] … Visit your award history page to see your certificate to print and proudly hang on your cube, wall, fridge, robot etc.”

This is where my tolerance ends: with intolerance. “You can’t support Donald Trump without also supporting his racism, misogyny, homophobia, and transphobia,” a Googler wrote in a lengthy communication on Trump supporters. “Or even worse, if you vote for Donald Trump because of his economic policy or because you feel the other party is corrupt, then what you’re saying is that economics is more important than the safety of your peers. This is where my tolerance ends: with intolerance.”

Let’s end with some photos of the week, courtesy of the Atlantic:

A man participates in a Christmas tree throwing competition in the County Clare town of Ennis, Ireland, on January 7, 201

A man looks at at a snow-covered slope in the Sahara Desert near Ain Sefra, Algeria, on January 7, 2018

Saudi women at the first auto showroom dedicated to women

A Rohingya refugee child sits on a hill at Unchiparang refugee camp, near Cox’s Bazar, Bangladesh, on January 11, 2018

A fox wanders through a cemetery in England

incoming storm, Sydney, Australia

An observation point at the base of Niagara Falls in Niagara Falls, Ontario, is covered in ice as the falls are illuminated by colored light on January 9, 2018.


  1. Ronald Avra says

    Nice storm pic.

  2. Heather Angus says

    I’ve seldom seen a more lovely (and may I say haunting?) picture than the fox in the graveyard.

    • Heather Angus says

      And in a different sense, there’s no more haunting picture among this set than that of the Rohingya child.

      • Also haunting are the pictures of yesterday’s demoliton of the Golden Lampstand Church, a Christian megachurch in China. It’s just the most recent of the government’s campaign. (Google for pics and details)

        • Headless Unicorn Guy says

          Remember it took Buddhism over a thousand years before China came to accept it as other than a Gwai Lo Superstition.

    • Amen sister

  3. Dan from Georgia says

    As a professional (read: not storm chaser or weather blogger) meteorologist (not the on-air type…ok…enough parentheses), love the Sydney storm pic!

    Like the desert storm pic too! Lots of people are fascinated and puzzled by snow in a desert. One, remember it’s winter in the Northern Hemisphere. Two, not all deserts are hot all the time. Three, get back to me when snow falls at Key West, Florida. Four, I’m up way to late.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says

      Here in SoCal, the “high desert” of the Mojave (3000 ft/1000m above sea level) gets below freezing EVERY winter night, with snowfall when a storm manages to make it over the coastal ranges.

      • Dan from Georgia says

        True dat! Antarctica is considered a desert, despite being ice-covered. And it’s never “hot” there. The Algerian snowfall pictured above is rare indeed…I think it has only snowed a few times in the last 100 yrs there, but that is more snow since 1900 than Miami, FL has seen.

        OK, probably more than anyone needs to know….hehehe

        Always enjoy your comments HUG!

  4. Heather Angus says

    Since I’ve apparently got the floor on this dark and stormy night, here’s a concern I’ve had about World Vision and Richard Stearns. I used to give what I could a month ($40) to this charity, but when I learned that Stearns (and no doubt his successor) are compensated to the tune of $466,685 a year, I stopped giving. It seemed useless and I admit I was upset to be donating to a “charity” in which the top executive was so highly paid. I’ve checked on the Salvation Army, and found that the Salvation Army Executive Directors earn $95,000 annually. That’s not meager, but it sounds much better than nearly half a million a year for the head of a charity. Am I simply expecting too much of charities in general?

    • People concerned about donations going to organizations with high overhead (including executive salaries) certainly can shift their donations to ones with low overhead costs. I do believe the Salvation Army is considered one of the better ones regarding this.

      • Headless Unicorn Guy says

        Salvation Army was the only charity my late father would donate to.

        Came from when he was a Navy enlisted man in WW2, and Salvation Army was the only group running servicemen’s canteens where they treated him decent. He had NOTHING good to say about the Red Cross.

    • Adam Tauno Williams says

      > earn $95,000 annually.

      Depending on where he lives that is merely a Middle Class income. Also – you want to have qualified people with experience; so you have to pay them. Reasonable salaries don’t bother me at all; I’ve seen what happens to organizations that try to be “all volunteer” or cheapskates – just pay somebody already, if you believe it is worth doing.

      $466,685 is ridiculous.

      • Headless Unicorn Guy says

        > earn $95,000 annually.

        Depending on where he lives that is merely a Middle Class income.

        Lower Class anywhere near San Francisco Bay.

        $466,685 is ridiculous.

        Unless you’re GAWD’s Anointed pulling down all those Benjamins.

        Or a Silicon Valley Guy fresh out of college living on vitamin pills, almond milk, and 168-hour workweeks while waiting for The Singularity.

    • Franklin Graham is reported to earn $622,000 annually from Samaritan’s Purse.

  5. Maybe the wheels are finally coming off the crazy train (how’s that for a mixed metaphor) if the current news about Trump making the racist comment and then lying about it, and the payoff to the porn actress turn out to be substantiated.

    Who practices Identity Politics more blatantly than Evangelicals?

    The worst thing about Google is their self-righteousness and puritanism, What the Left needs is a sense of humor and a sense of irony. I miss Zappa. Nothing infuriates the ideologue more than being mocked.

    Bono, how can we miss you if you won’t go away?

    • Patriciamc says

      Poor Bono. The first sign of old age is complaining about young people’s music.

    • –> “The worst thing about Google is their self-righteousness and puritanism, What the Left needs is a sense of humor and a sense of irony.”

      I believe Trump exists as he does today mainly because of this. The Left’s hypocrisy regarding tolerance (“I’m tolerant, as long as what you believe matches what I believe”) and general lack of humor (manifested, I believe, as being easily offended) stirred a pendulum reaction in many people who saw Trump as the antidote.

      • Sorry, but some things – bigotry, selfishness, etc – should not be tolerated.

        “if you vote for Donald Trump because of his economic policy or because you feel the other party is corrupt, then what you’re saying is that economics is more important than the safety of your peers. This is where my tolerance ends: with intolerance.”

        If you think that this is unreasonable, we’ve got problems.

        • Some things should not be tolerated. A president who in an official policy meeting about immigration reform speaks of other nations as shitholes (and by inference of their citizens as pieces of shit) is intolerable. He should be treated as a pariah, as long as he continues to hold power and express such xenophobic views in his official role; if he is not, the intolerable is treated as if it is tolerable, and the entire nation shares in his shame.

          • senecagriggs says

            Following President Trump’s Thursday comments, it’s worth noting that former President Obama called the African country of Libya a “**** show” just three years ago.

            • Why do you people use Obama as the standard? I though you despised him?

            • Let’s also remember that apples and oranges are not the same. Obama’s comment did not compare Africans to shit, whereas Trump’s comment was exactly the same as saying that the immigrants from African countries are shit. That is, Trump’s comment was xenophobic at best, and, given the track record of some other of his comments about Africa, more likely racist; Obama’s was neither. In case you don’t get it, it’s not the crudity of Trump’s language that is the main problem, but its xenophobia/racism.

            • Clay Crouch says

              Point missed. But you are adept at comparing apples to oranges.

              • They would miss the point and continue cross-fruit comparisons even if our POTUS was known to use the n-word in his policy discussions about immigration. Defense of Trump’s outrages has become a religion to them.

                • Clay Crouch says

                  Never Not Trump!™

                  • Yes. True believers in the religion of Trumpianity.

                    • Who were dazzled by his feel good phrases and failed to vet him as much as they vetted Hillary.

                    • Headless Unicorn Guy says

                      A major advantage Trump had in 2016 was that he spoke blunt and in-your-face while all the other candidates (with the exception of Bernie Sanders who could not be permitted to usurp Hillary) all sounded like every word out of their mouths was written by spinmeisters and attorneys, vetted by focus groups, and read off teleprompters.

                      Trump came across as fresh and direct, just the opposite of all the others.

            • Ah, I see you are a reader of The Daily Caller and other notable rightwing sites that needed to instantly provide a counterpoint to the shithole comment.

              Now, seneca, can you tell me…what is the difference between calling a situation a shit show and a people and a country a shit hole?

              Ah, I’m sorry, I was triggered, it was so easy for you to do so with your comment, I’m so predictable and this is such a fun gleeful game.

        • Adam Tauno Williams says

          > If you think that this is unreasonable, we’ve got problems.


        • “Sorry but some things – bigotry, selfishness, etc. – should not be tolerated.”
          Yeah but those things have to be defined, and for too many on the left side of the political spectrum being a bigot or selfish simply means disagreeing with them about any matters dealing with race, gender, sexual orientation, immigration, economic policy, or environmental policy. So if you don’t fall in line with their way of thinking that automatically makes you intolerable, and whatever bad things done to you justified.

          • Yes, this. It’s the other side of the same coin. And many on the Left fail to see they are just as bad as they claim the Far Right to be. I’m not a Trump fan and hate him as America’s president, but don’t box me into a corner if I agree with some of the Republicans’ positions on things. Philosophical differences of opinions and approaches to fixing things does not mean I’m a hateful bigot.

          • Headless Unicorn Guy says

            Yeah but those things have to be defined, and for too many on the left side of the political spectrum being a bigot or selfish simply means disagreeing with them about any matters dealing with race, gender, sexual orientation, immigration, economic policy, or environmental policy

            “Anyone who says I can’t do whatever I wanna do is a Fascist!”
            — some old Mad Magazine

        • @Eeyore — I have to say that, though I agree with the gist of your comment, I’m not sure what you mean when you say that selfishness should not be tolerated. From what I’ve seen of life, selfishness is so pervasive that if one fought it constantly, in oneself or others, life and society would be nothing but a huge, constant and never-ending war against selfishness, in which one could never put ones weapons down. It is impossible to extirpate selfishness, lest one run afoul of Jesus warning that in pulling up the tares, the wheat is also destroyed.

          • Yes, selfishness is pervasive, and I should have clarified what I had in mind. The selfishness I had in mind was “I earned this money/job/citizenship/whatever, I owe no one else anything, go get your own”.

      • Adam Tauno Williams says

        > The worst thing about Google is their …

        … tech support! Seriously. I suspect it is a cloud-hosted on-hold service.

      • Adam Tauno Williams says

        > I believe Trump exists as he does today mainly because of this.

        So Trump and the Far Right are the result of the Left?


        Or only so far as the American Left offers no coherent policy agenda; and has failed to do so for decades. There is that; and that is 100X more damning that a lack of humor.

        Also Not-Republican does not equal Left. Even Democrat does not equal Left. As Conservative does not equal Far-Right or White Supremacist. Let’s not let our terms become some compacted that conversation is impossible.

        Honestly, identifying the privileged class that fills the buildings of Google in The Valley as “Left” is absurd. I would happily make a wager that a good share of them self-describe as “Libertarian” [the default political category of the young and over-paid]. In the defense of Libertarianism – most of them have no idea what that means, but it is the way to sound cool.

        • Richard Hershberger says

          This. A lot of people think that Bay Area tech companies are full of lefties because, you know, the Summer of Love. This would not follow, even were the Summer of Love less than half a century ago.

          • Adam Tauno Williams says

            What I don’t get is – how does identifying as an Ornate Building make someone a Leftist? Like? Huh? That just makes you weird and/or silly. Probably someone who needs some real problems.

          • john barrry says

            Richard H., I think a lot of people think the bay area is full of lefties because of their policies and the society they endorse with those policies. I do not like labels but they are the short hand method we now use to identify different views. Most Americans really do relate or even know about the Summer of Love that again a narrative pushed by the left or the right media?

            • Adam Tauno Williams says

              > they endorse with those policies

              You mean the Bay’s favorite policies of free trade, corporate subsidies, at-will employment, and deregulation? Cities that which buy homeless people bus tickets to ship them out of the city? Cities with well organized fierce NIMBY groups who oppose affordable housing? NIMBY groups so powerful the state government had to step in.

              You mean those Leftists envlaves? If you think the Bay is a Leftist bastion you don’t know what Leftist means.

              The Bay is a techo-libertarian meca; it is capitalist through-and-through. I suspect you are equating Libertarian and Leftist; there is no such equivalnce.

              • Richard Hershberger says

                My guess is the problem is out-dated information. Much of the Bay Area really was very left within living memory. But that was before the tech boom pushed everyone else out. The only hairy hippies who can afford to live there now are the ones that bought their houses no later than the 1980s.

                Also, Hipster =/= lefty.

                What is true is that you won’t find much traction for the Evangelical Culture War issues. Say what you will about techbros, they are usually pretty good about not concerning themselves with who other people grind pelvises with. Someone whose model of political alignments centers on other people’s pelvises could easily mistake the Bay Area for being lefty.

                • Headless Unicorn Guy says

                  And Christian Culture Warriors are famous for being totally obsessed with Pelvic Issues and ONLY Pelvic Issues. Funhouse-mirror reflection of nympho horndogs.

              • TomK. The Samaritan’s have a lot of money so they can afford it. That is why the Samaritan’s did not mind helping those in need, they were paying it forward. A real Samaritan would not carry a purse but who am I to judge.

              • Adam and Richard, so who lives in the Tenderloin area or has it changed? Are all the homeless now out of S.F. and it is a family oriented city? Eisenhower was the last Republican to win popular vote in S.F. Voters registered are 84.6% Democrat with a waning 9.2% Republican most who live in a log cabin. So are you saying the majority of the money , social and political power in S.F. is not to be considered very liberal or way left of center according to popular use and understanding?
                There is more to those who would oppose the liberal culture of S.F. than the pelvic grind theory, evangelicals even grew to love Elvis the Pelvis but he sang gospel tunes also. , The super rich tech modern robber barons who direct the culture and direction of S.F. value are in reality no different that their historic forefathers.
                How long would a social unaware person last if they referred to Caitlyn Jenner as Bruce even by accident? Whatever happened to Brendon Eich, who committed an unpardonable sin and had to be ex communicated. San Francisco values are maintained and financed by the ruling wealthy to justify or obfuscate, glamorize, exalt and deflect attention away from the kingly, robber baron concentration of wealth and power they have accumulated. They own the city and its culture is almost every aspect. In the ole South the rich textile mill owners owned the company and the town. The poor people lived in the mill village. Tenn. Ernie Ford sang abut it in 16 tons about a mining town but S.F. is a tech village , mill village there for the use of the very political and socially correct rulers who set and enforce the rules and social conduct. Who would cross the high tech Boss Tweeds?
                You are correct, old love child hippie is either dead or totally corrupted. One issue I believe changed California more than anything and that is what? I would like to read your opinions on the sea level change in California politics and culture. Thanks for the thought provoking comments as my thoughts need a lot of provoking.

                • As someone who has lived 2 hours away from SF for the last 30 years, I have to say that your observation about the super rich of this day being no different from their robber baron forefathers is pretty much on the mark. Doesn’t matter what political affiliation they were and are; money talked, then as now, and there is almost as much corruption now as then. However, Silicon Valley isn’t quite the same in location or character as SF. SV arose in the suburbs, and it is characterized more by the 60’s-era suburbian mindset gone berserk.

                  I actually love going to San Francisco, even though I’m not sure I’d want to live there (if I could afford to – it has always been disgustingly expensive, even before the tech boom, because it’s on a peninsula and the only direction left to build is up). There is both the sense of age and vibrancy. It’s a real hodgepodge of types of people, architecture, cultural expression, etc. – always something interesting to see, and the natural beauty of the location is astounding. San Francisco has always been a place that has attracted the outliers of society, and a place where those outliers could connive to make a buck – often legally – and then used their wealth to integrate into “decent” society. Silicon Valley folks seem to be using their money and technology to try to re-fabricate society, including eradicating their own “Deplorables” – which is a whole ‘nother thing.

                  The Tenderloin hasn’t yet undergone gentrification. There is still a huge amount of homeless people. Sea level change has already been eroding cliffs to the point that houses and apartment buildings are falling into the ocean. There’s definitely more awareness of it and talk about it, unlike it being forbidden on the Federal level. What the politicians are doing is joining the rest of the world in the global warming initiatives and trying to figure out ways to reduce carbon output. Yeah, our gasoline is more expensive, but what we get for it is cleaner air, and I think that’s a very good trade-off. My husband grew up in the San Fernando Valley and well remembers many days in his childhood when students were not allowed outdoors for recess because of the smog. Evidently our current President has never been subject to pollution-induced asthma attacks, and has always been able to afford bottled water.


                  • john barry says

                    Dana, thank you for that informative response and sharing some of your personal history and native perspective. Sometimes I have to be careful what I read and respond to as I might learn something and diminish my brand.
                    The only thing forbidden in my world is the Lambada , the dance of love. I still Blame It on the Bossa Nova but that was PG compared to the Lambada. Steve and Edie could not get a gig at a Holiday Inn lounge in todays market.
                    From your report good thing Tony Bennett only left his heart in S.F. and not his lung or nose. Rome, Paris and S.F. were they better when the song was first recorded or now? My song I penned “I Left My Spleen In Downtown Baltimore” never took off as I was unable to get Mickey Dolan to record it.
                    When I was young the song If You Are Going to S.F. be Sure to Wear Some Flowers in Your Heart, wow, long title, was popular. Now I would title it, If You are Going to S.F. Bring Some Toilet Paper, Parking Pass and High Balance Credit Card and Maybe a Taser..
                    I do not have worry about my hair as global warming seems to have affected my hairline and it has receded also.
                    Again, thanks for your honest assessment and a glimpse of the happenings in the Golden State.

                    • Headless Unicorn Guy says

                      The only thing forbidden in my world is the Lambada , the dance of love.

                      Don’t forget the LamBAAAAAAAAda, the dance of love by sheep.

                  • Headless Unicorn Guy says

                    San Francisco has always been a place that has attracted the outliers of society, and a place where those outliers could connive to make a buck – often legally – and then used their wealth to integrate into “decent” society.

                    Sure you didn’t mean “illegally”, Dana?

                    “The two best ways to get rich are crime and inheritance. The best combination is to have your ancestors do the Crime and you Inherit it.”
                    — Dogbert

                    I also recommend the Barbary Coast by Herbert Asbury, companion volume to his more famous Gangs of New York. San Fran was as wild as Chi-town (itself profiled in Asbury’s Gem of the Prairie/Gangs of Chicago. (Shouldn’t have any trouble finding it on Amazon or Alibris; all Asbury’s “informal history of the [city] underworld” books were reissued when GoNY hit the big screen.)

                • Headless Unicorn Guy says

                  Back in the Eighties, we said “Old Hippies grow into money-grubbing Yuppies”.

                  And when you factor in Silicon Valley Tech Yuppies, it gets even more extreme and weird. Max Headroom Gnosticism on steroids.

                  P.S. The heaviest concentration of overripe Hippies are in Marin County at the other end of the Golden Gate Bridge.

        • Christiane says

          Trump seems very much to me like ‘the Golem’ figure in Judaism . . . . if I have to explain this, one wouldn’t understand it anyway

          unreal, mythical, a caricature of only God-knows-what . . . . . sort of the kind of creature about which one might say ‘you can’t make this up’

          Am I the only one who senses the unreality of the Trump era??? I’ve lived too long and seen too much, but this age-of-Trump is over-the-top in weirdness. Rabbit-hole stuff. Alternate reality. When will I wake up??

        • Headless Unicorn Guy says

          “Libertarian” is the low end of the Anarchist spectrum, and to the young and over-paid Anarchy means “I Get To Do ANYTHING I Wanna and NOBODY can ever tell me ‘No'”.

          • Christiane says

            What frightens is when the one who sits in the Oval Office has said
            “”I Could Stand In the Middle Of Fifth Avenue And Shoot Somebody And I Wouldn’t Lose Any Voters”

            but it is the harm done to people’s hopes that seems even worse to me . . . . the poor DACA kids who are OURS, our children, raised in this land and who know no other homeland . . . . the threatened CHIP children whose chances to live depend on funding that is being used as barter politically . . . . .

            and the harm done to our American ‘norms’ and ‘standards’ whereby we have decried the Nazi influence always until after Charlottesville when we got ‘there are very good people on BOTH sides’ from the one who inhabits the Oval Office (sigh) . . . .

            I’m sorry for kvetching (sp?) but it’s all been too much. I hope the findings that Mueller’s work yields prove to be so startling that Trump will have to resign in disgrace, so startling that even his base will not have any reason to discount those findings. It’s all just too much. People among our foreign allies think our country has turned rogue against their values as NATO has been threatened by the one who inhabits the Oval Office . . . so awful for them . . . . NATO jets recently encountered Russian federation jets trolling in the Baltic Sea area to intimidate the Baltic states, no doubt, and we have Latvian friends who KNOW from experience what life under Russia is like, and they are fearful of the one who inhabits the Oval Office.

            I think the only ones now rejoicing are the Russians and the wealthy and a lot of ‘conservative’ (?) types who are perfectly able to ‘live with’ Trumps racist ravings . . . . so sad, this.

            I want my country back, but I want it to be done right, legally, and honorably. It’s not too late, no.

            • Headless Unicorn Guy says

              What frightens is when the one who sits in the Oval Office has said
              “”I Could Stand In the Middle Of Fifth Avenue And Shoot Somebody And I Wouldn’t Lose Any Voters”

              “I kill my own mother and still they cheer me!”
              — Caesar Nero, in Paul Maier’s historical novel Flames of Rome

    • john barry says

      Stephen, I am fairly new here and I thought Saturdays Brunch was free of politics which is great but if the main article invokes a political theme does that open the door for political commentary? I would google it to find out but I am right handed so might not respond. Just want to know for future reference and thanks for letting me know.

      • Daniel Jepsen says

        John, the Saturday Brunch has no rules. Sometimes it will mention politics but we try not to make it the main focus, since we get enough of that elsewhere.

    • Adam Tauno Williams says

      > Who practices Identity Politics more blatantly than Evangelicals?

      Yep. And some on the Left may attempt IP, but it pretty clearly doesn’t work. They haven’t assembled a cohesive voting bloc yet. The Evangelicals should put on some conferences, charge admission, and teach the rest of the world how to do Identity Politics effectively.

      > Google is their self-righteousness and puritanism, What the Left needs

      I object: Google isn’t Left. Google is Hubris Obnoxious; tech-companies are eagerly funding every candidate they can find – that way no matter who wins they have someone around who will take their calls. The real interesting story is the w-i-d-e distance between the politics of the Tech-Bros and all their ‘elitist’ employees [I don’t argue with that description] who believe their Tech-Bro overlords love them. The politics of the tech-sphere are best described as “How Bizarre”. [The Left is principally concerned with class and economic power… so they have that at least it common with the Tech-Bros, but in seriously different directions].

      I support anyone who can get some money out of Google; its ok, they won’t notice.

      [I did enjoy the spat between Elon Musk and JT a few weeks ago – Musk proves himself again to be a very lucky spoiled brat.]

      > Bono, how can we miss you if you won’t go away?

      That dude is still alive? I thought all the famous people died in 2017.

    • Christianity is ALL about identity politics.

      • That is a very anachronistic and narrow-minded conclusion. You can possibly say that about the religious right of present day America (and mainline progressives, while you’re at it), but Christianity is so, so much bigger, older, and more diverse than that.

      • Headless Unicorn Guy says

        Dude, EVERYTHING today is about Identity Politics.
        Like Serb, Croat, Macedonian, Kosovan, and/or Albanian in old Yugoslavia (and remember how that ended).

        • Yup. Competing definitions of what constitutes identity. Is identity always deconstructionable and self-constructed? Is it reducible only to race or ethnicity? Or is it given and found only in Christ, the crucified God?

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says

      The worst thing about Google is their self-righteousness and puritanism, What the Left needs is a sense of humor and a sense of irony.

      “New England Puritans, seven-times distilled down to eliminate any hint of God while retaining the Righteousness and Moral Fury.” — Burro(?)

      (And Our Enlightened Betters just cannot understand why so many voted for Trump…)

      And True Believers in any Righteous Cause can NEVER have a sense of humor.

  6. Great brunch again, Daniel. Nice mix of stories and wonderful pics.

  7. john barry says

    Regards the French lady whose path to the bathroom was blocked by the kangaroo, I believe it was a translation problem and someone thought she asked where the roo was instead of the loo. I am sure that was great joey when finally she was able to get to the loo , I always thought the French were trying to get to the water loo but I also thought the French national anthem was La Marsupial, Da Da Da the- Da Da Da the -Da Da Da .

    I am self taught in French , mostly by reading labels off Franco American cans and having breakfast croissant sandwiches at Burger King and I have surmised croissant means stale or not too good in French. I do love French’s yellow mustard but not on my croissant, I am a gourmet and that would be a faux pas .
    . I am sure the French lady rooed the day she decided to travel but everyone one seems to be a wanna be or a wallabie in Australia. I love shrimp on the Barbie but not Ken, thanks Paul Hogan.

  8. on the horizon
    grey clouds merge with bare mountains
    in a wintry mix

  9. Adam Tauno Williams says

    >… it is time for a new season of leadership. I ask that you be in prayer for them and their families.

    aka: Budget Cuts.

    Welcome to corporate america. Florid prose translating to “younger people are cheaper”.

  10. senecagriggs says

    The President’s language.
    In a private meeting he is alleged to have used the term “sh*thole” to describe some thirdworld countries. Some one with an anti-Trump agenda [ of which there are legions ] made this public; Trump denies the specific wording but if I was a betting man I would think Trump used the term “sh*thole” as alleged.

    Here’s my problem; in the last couple of decades I have begun to drop “F-bombs.” My sainted mother, if she were still alive would be greeting met at the door with a brillo pad in hand to sterilize my mouth is she knew this.

    And I’m a hypocrite too. I have NEVER dropped a F-bomb within my church doors. My wife has never heard me express that evil word. My children have never heard that word pass my lips.
    Almost exclusively it has been used on I-10 while I’m ensconced with-in my “beater” vehicle without a passenger present.. I have said it purposely and with great passion. Most often it is used in a question: “What the EFF?” But I don’t think that excuses the sin.

    If you are not one of us who drops the occasional F-bombs; Kudos to you.

    But I must confess to being an “F-bombing hypocrite.”
    [ “I see that hand, is there another? ( Baptist altar call talk.)

    • If one of the managers in the company that employs me used either the F-bomb, or referred to one of the many countries we do business with as a shitshow, in a business meeting with other executives, he or show would be in serious trouble. What you ore I say alone in our cars, what the president says when he is making his toilet alone, is not germane to the issue.

    • Klasie Kraalogies says

      Apples and oranges. I am not sensitive to strong language. That is emphatically not the issue here. The issue is a leader’s comments about other countries, and the exceedingly evident racist subtext.

      Why can’t conservatives (religious or political) just clearly and unambiguously disavow racism and those that push it??

      • That’s exactly right. By calling their countries shitholes, Trump was calling the immigrants from those African countries shit. Crude language is not the issue; xenophobia/racism is.

      • john barrry says

        Klasie , I am no longer beating my wife. Are you still beating your spouse? Who decides who the racist is? Don Lemon, David Duke, me, you or is it true that actions speak louder than words. Why are all the people from the crap hole nations trying to come to the non crap hole USA . Could it be that they know the USA is the least racist country in law and practice in the world? If someone comes from a country we call a dictatorship to America do we think they are dictators? On Jeopardy if Alex had a category, crap hole nations of the world , would you answer, what is Japan, what is South Africa , what is USA, what is England etc or would you answer Alex what is. you can fill in the blanks. Do I wish that Trump would tone his NY street language down, yes but then again he was the only Republican who could defeat Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton would never say crap hole she would just think it or she would call Haiti what it was to her and Bill , a cash cow.

        • There’s a good possibility that the US would be included as a shithole country on a list made by Danish citizens, though they would be our POTUS’s preferred immigrants. Sorry, Don, they’re not interested.

          Why is the word crap less vulgar than the word shit, jb?

          • john barrry says

            Robert F. I was trying to be classy by using the word crap plus I like to honor the work of the esteemed John Crapper who with his two names will live on as long as people must eliminate waste. Seriously, I really for some reason dislike the s word even as descriptive language as it just seems nasty more than anything else rather than vulgar. Plus I know when the stick is pasted around what end I will get. I do not know what my brain is made of, but I know it cannot be what my friends tell me what I have for brains. I am so pure that I shave , shower and eliminate waste.
            I think the Danes are great to and they seldom dog it. The Scandinavian countries have historically been ethnically, cultural and socially isolated and thus very homogenous lead to their social and political success. They like most of Europe do not seem to assimilate different cultures well and we will see what happens there as time moves on. I generalize and say all the Danish are good but then remember that the prune Danish is not good. I think you see the Scandinavian countries beginning to put the brakes on the immigration flood , time will tell.
            Why did Mr. Spock run to the bath room when Captain Kirk left——he wanted to be the first to see the Captains log. Potty humor is sometimes funny.

            • The prune Danish is not good — it is excellent.

              • Robert F. I am a prude about the prune. Also I think it would have been more political correct if President Trump had called the crap hole countries “Turd World” countries instead than there would have no issue. As it is, everything the learned President Trump states is subject to the turd degree.
                . Of course as many well know as a evangelical, whatever that means now, I get confused whether I am praying for Trump or praying to him.

                • Generally, I appreciate your word-play, stream-of-consciousness humor, jb, but I think the “Turd World” phrase is just offensive, and not in the least funny.

                  • john barry says

                    Robert F. Well , some people did not like Lenny Bruce or George Carlin but they were at least allowed to talk in some appropriate places. Many times in my life have my thoughts be called turd rate and I never thought being in turd place was not good as long as I did my best.
                    I find it offensive when some here accuse the dreaded evangelicals of worshiping Trump but kept it to myself as free speech is free speech, I thought.

                    • I have no desire or ability to limit your speech, but I will express my own opinion about what you comment.

            • I think you make a valid point about the ethnic homogeneity of European countries, and their inability to accommodate different cultures. So bad is this homogeneity and inability that Polish immigrants to Britain are treated by nativists there as an inferior race, and, in the past (right up to the middle of the twentieth century), European countries were horrifically xenophobic in their attitude toward each other. I think we can expect more of the same if the European Union collapses.

              • That is, unless Vlad steps in and takes over, which he would love to do. Then we can expect feudalism dressed up in the clothing of a 21st century mafia state.

                • Headless Unicorn Guy says

                  With Orthodoxy as his Amen Chorus, just like Evangelicals are Trump’s Amen Chorus.

        • Are you really sure Hill was worse than God Don? Have you reasearched God Don? I do agree, though, that Hillary is very corrupt, and the Dems got themselves into a horrible situation by allowing the Clintons to rule the party. That said, I still think Kasich was the best choice, but he wasn’t as good as Trump in manipulating and dazzling people with feel good phrases.

          • Headless Unicorn Guy says

            Coming to Evangelical hymnals:
            “…Every knee shall bow,
            Every tongue confess,
            Donald Trump is LOOOORD.”

            I finally figured out why so many Christians have taken the Mark of the Trump on forehead and right hand.

            Bombastic, arrogant, pussy-grabbing, vengeful — just like all those Mega church Lead Pastors/Head Apostles that show up all the time on Wartburg Watch, Spiritual Sounding Board, etc.

            Said MenaGAWD have conditioned their flocks to recognize Trump-like traits as THE Mark of God’s Anointed.

            • Headless Unicorn Guy says

              Thinking that over a little more, I’m coming to the conclusion that the Evangelical Circus (American Evangelical Activist culture) pre-disposed Evangelicals to take the Mark of the Trump and worship the God Don. Still have to think it over a bit more, but if so it was just a matter of transferring the pre-existing blind loyalty from pulpit to Trump Tweets.

        • Klasie Kraalogies says

          I grew up in SA. I bloody well know racism when I see it.

          The US is by far not the least racist country in the world. It is also not the most racist by far. But Trump’s statement is racist. End of the bloody story.

          Yes I am upset. Trump needs to be called out on his racism.

          • He is being called out. For practically every word he utters. If we saved our outrage for the more serious matters, it might be a bit more impactful. But the constantly exploding heads on the left have created a situation where he can basically get away with saying anything because they will react the same way, every time.

            Personally, I prefer to save my outrage for actions that do more than hurt people’s feelings. I’m more interested in how Trump’s policies affect minorities from impoverished nations than how he personally feels about their worth. Racist policies add serious injury to insult.

            I mean, how is any thinking person every surprised by anything he says anymore? “Donald Trump is a jerk.” Hold the phone! I swear he has a professional strategist who advises him on the most offensive way to communicate anything. I’m resigned to expecting it.

            How ’bout the Dems give us a good candidate (or hell, a mediocre one!) so we can make sure he’s a one term jerk?

            • “He is being called out. For practically every word he utters. If we saved our outrage for the more serious matters, it might be a bit more impactful”

              As Richard John Neuhaus put it, “If we are unable to light candles, we should at least continue to curse the darkness – if only to remind ourselves that we should not become at home in it.”

      • Richard Hershberger says

        Also Christian values (inasmuch as anyone is still pretending he has any). If by “shithole” he means the economic or political conditions, then the Christian response is that we have a special obligation to these people. Suggesting we should instead be favoring immigrants from rich countries is like wondering why a church runs a soup kitchen for those grubby homeless people. The place would be so much classier if they restricted the dining area to a better class of people.

        • Adam Tauno Williams says


          It would be less sad if I had not heard precisely such arguments in the past.

          A significant grievance against youth outreach programs were the quality|type of youth they brought into the church.

          • Or those coloreds from the poor part of town coming into my kid’s schools…

            Let’s start our own schools. With high fees and tuitions. Profit and purity.

        • Daniel Jepsen says

          Richard, very wonderful and insightful comment. Thanks

      • seneca griggs says

        Another Canadian [ Klaisie ] tells American how to vote. smile

        • Clay Crouch says

          Point missed. Again. You’re batting a thousand. If he had told us how to vote (which he didn’t), your comment would also be ironic.

        • Klasie Kraalogies says

          No I didn’t. You have however confirmed my suspicion that while you are suspicious of science, racism is a-ok.

          Your religion is really deplorable.

    • john barrry says

      senecrgriggs, let him without profanity throw the first verbal rock out of their glass house. I thought you were one of the dreaded evangelicals, born again stereotypical people but here you are making a confession to men . I forgive you for your cursing and you know what that is worth, right? I knew when Rhett Butler was allowed to say “damn” the floodgates were open and I was right in 1939, look what happened. Since no one is watching , I will raise my hand and admit I have used foul language , just do not tell my Grandmother or Mother.
      President Harry “give them hell Truman” has gone from being a somewhat , over his head , Missouri rube to a forward thinking underrated now lauded President in my lifetime. Most Presidents especially since Truman have cursed especially Lyndon Johnson but it was a non reported event because the press actually believed some items were off the record. Most Americans still do not know the famous unreported quote at the time he signed the 1965 voting acts law that a certain voting bloc group would vote Democrat for years because of the law .
      Trump thought he was in a private, give and take meeting of honorable people like he was to in private life of lawyers, CEO’s and union leaders but we know politicians do not live up to the ethical standards of those people or even used car salespeople.. That a private workshop meeting language is reported shows the current political decorum and honestly Trump should know better. Trump voters know why the language was leaked after the attendees saw that Trump was actually not going to cave in and was actually trying to do some give and take. No matter how much Anderson Cooper cries, this will not hurt Trump with voters unless Anderson was crying that Trump had fallen off the pedestal he had placed him on and was gravely disappointed.
      If Trump makes it to 2020 and runs again that is when we will find out if this is really an issue or more gas on the Trump is evil, stupid, racist, fascist , demented and delusional bonfire.

      • I know one Trump voter where I work who yesterday, in response to the comment Trump made at the immigration policy meeting, called him an asshole. She told me that her opinion of him has changed. So he has lost at least one voter as a result of his sustained inability to deport himself like a responsible, professional leader; I’m betting there are others, too.

        • seneca griggs says

          Robert F: Saw a poll the other day; Trump is increasingly popular with Hispanic and Afro-American MEN, decreasingly popular with their wives however.

          There continues to be a HUGE difference between Men and Women and how they view the world.
          [There is NOTHING NEW under the Sun.]

          My guess: Trump is NOT losing male voters of any race.

      • If Trump makes it to 2020 and runs again that is when we will find out if this is really an issue or more gas on the Trump is evil, stupid, racist, fascist , demented and delusional bonfire.

        You mean dumpster fire. He’s a dumpster fire.

      • Clay Crouch says

        Well, then there’s this. But maybe that doesn’t bother you, either.

    • And here we see the same dichotomy as we did with the pussy comments.
      One group were upset that he said “pussy”. Another group were upset that he grabbed them.

      Now one group is upset that he used a rude word. Another group is upset that he is a painfully racist excuse for a human being.

      • The difference between the red and blue states.

      • Robert F. I guess we cannot sing the George M. Cohen song “Grand Ole Flag” as the lyrics every heart beats true to the red, white and blue is actually a dog whistle word to Trump supporters that supports their racism, more to follow from the CNN and MSNBC panels, who will discuss just how racist are the Trump voters, of course in their opinion.

      • One does not simply grab a poosy.

        Seriously though, how is this even possible? Obv Trump, in that moment, was being performative—whether or not he’s actually assaulted/harassed anyone.

        • Poosy?

          No, it’s not at all obvious that Trump was “being performative”. If you don’t think that part of the anatomy can be groped, which is what the world grab is standing in for here, you are naive.

          • Robert, your unfortunate hermeneutical habits are up to no good again. You don’t get to replace words as stand-ins just to further your political agenda. One can grope a poon, but I have yet to be convinced that you can grab someone by the poon.

            • It’s hard for me to believe you’re not being disingenuous, but I’ll try.

              • No, I genuinely think Trump was performing a crude, ad-hoc stand-up act for the bros on the van. I also genuinely think it’s possible that he has sexually harassed multiple women. But I don’t think he’s ever grabbed a single fudge-eye-nah in his life.

                • john barry says

                  William of L, great observation that you articulated well. Or as the great communicator Trump stated in his Churchill type statement “it was locker room talk”. Poor Billy was sent back to the bush league by being your average secular guy going along with the locker room talk.
                  The really funny/sad part of the video was when the grabber Trump got off the bus , he gave the woman in question a 12 year boy chaste peck on the cheek and said something like ” Melania” won’t mind or close to it. At his age and time Trump is more interested in pumping up his ego than anything else.
                  Trump is large ego, boastful, exaggerator to the extreme, wants to be total alpha male and acts , which is a surprise to many like the majority of your average male .
                  I do not think Hank Williams Sr. wrote “Hey Good Looking” about someone he found unattractive . To stay topical I will say all lives matter and so do looks when it comes to superficial attraction. Trump should learn like all of us to keep his thoughts to himself but he has so few , how can he?
                  Ester was Miss Persia 586 B.C. based on her education, interview answers, homemaking ability and great personality. Queen Vashti was actually the first Persian feminist and really get no credit. She really spoke truth to power even when the power was drunk.

                  • And of course, the words of the women who say Trump sexually harassed them don’t count, because he won the election, and to the victor go the spoils, right, jb?

                    • john barry says

                      Robert F., Roy Moore dated women so young, that when they went on a date the women drank scotch and wa wa. Sorry just a old Moore joke that is now no longer of any interest.
                      The current uproar and the MeToo movement is aimed squarely at Trump and the mantra will be we should have taken action on Clinton but now we say Never Again because of our outrage and Trump won. Seriously, the people in Hollywood never heard of the casting couch until a few months ago? Old rich and powerful guys trying to take advantage of women , it all started with the election of Trump.
                      I do love Charlie Rose who thought young attractive women would like to see his naked 75 year of body? Talk about delusional ! You hardly ever see a successful, wealthy woman with a trophy husband I think because women are smarter than men. I respect and admire women, my Mother is one and I have been close to her since birth as we were both there.

                    • Headless Unicorn Guy says

                      And Roy Moore’s biggest Amen Chorus was Evangelical Christians — white Evangelicals turned out 80+% for Moore, over the “Groupthink Locks In” threshold.

                      It’s going to be “Christian = Trump & Moore” in everyone else’s head for a LONG time.

        • Klasie Kraalogies says

          Thank you for proving my point above.

      • No, I think he’s just being his typical incompetent, poor excuse of a person self. I also give serious credence to the reports pf his increasingly limited vocabulary, forgetfulness, and rambling nonsensical thoughts.

    • Saying fuck is not a sin and has never been a sin.

      • No one thinks uttering a particular sound is in itself a sin–barring maybe some fringe-fundies. Def. not that edgy or interesting to drop the F-bomb on fundies in order to flaunt your ‘liberty’.

        • William of F, Right on, edgy comedians and Hollywood types not afraid to talk truth to power as long as Trump has the power. Obama put the clamps down early on when some unaware reporter mentioned he had big ears, end of that story and career probably.

      • In any context? There are few actions I would ever say that about, and I don’t think the use of this word makes the cut.

      • Well, I had occasion to hear from my priest that when the F-word is followed by the word “you”, it is the same as delivering a curse, and if one is Orthodox, one can be asked to abstain from the Eucharist for a time.

        We’re still so juvenile that we have to keep on saying that word in its many iterations as much as we can, because we can. We forget that when we use it in an imprecatory manner, we are saying that we wish for an act of horrific violence to come upon them. This violence is what is now being publicly decried with the metoo movement.

        Language means something.


        • Not always tho. Example would be the evolution of the term “mother f’cker”. Insult at first? Yes. But also now denotes friendship and camaraderie in some circles. Language is above all fluid, but the heart remains consistent. Telling my best friend “f’ck you” isn’t an insult, it’s a joke. Intent is different, words are the same.

        • Headless Unicorn Guy says

          Back in the Usenet days, I had a standard comment (that got used a lot):

          “There are 50,000 words in English other than “fuck” and “you”.
          You might want to expand your vocabulary.”

          The usual response was a barrage of F-bombs.

  11. The sh**thole bit of Trump’s comment didn’t bother me as much as the ‘assimilate into our great country’ bit. I understand the argument that immigration helps the U.S. My question is whether or not it helps the immigrants. I wouldn’t wish this subtle destruction of the soul on my worst enemy.

    • The worst word in his sentence was “why”. Not “shithole”.

    • @WoL – I wonder what times and/or places you think would be better for the health, and less likely to lead to the subtle destruction of, their souls. Could you enumerate one or two?

      • Clay Crouch says

        I’m guessing anywhere that balkanization is the rule of the day.

      • Here and now is all we ever have.

        • ‘They change their sky, not their soul, who run across the sea.’

          It was true of the colonists of yesteryear who destroyed the native soul of this continent, and it still holds true today.

        • In other words, you are unwilling, or unable, to list even one. That speaks volumes. Thank you.

          • I can’t tell you when and where would be best for your soul. Tbh that’s far above my pay grade.

            I know that recreating the past is unhelpful, capitulating to the arxon is dangerous, and dreaming of utopia is at best a distraction.

            • I can’t tell you when and where would be best for your soul. Tbh that’s far above my pay grade.

              In that case, you can’t know that the 21st century U.S. is not the perfect place for the thriving of an African immigrant’s soul.

              • I know that buying into the American mythos is damaging for all souls regardless of race.

                • I’m not talking about race, just pointing out that if it’s above your pay grade to make the call for my soul, it’s above your pay grade to make the call for anyone’s soul, wherever they’re from and whoever they are. And it is above your pay grade to make that call, for the would-be African immigrant, for everyone else, and for me.

                  • Unironically, YES. Almost no one should be voting on anything or making decisions for anybody.

                    • That pretty much sounds like the ideal of American, liberal democratic society. If it’s not, tell me how your idea is different.

                    • Jesus, you sound like Madonna, or some other advocate for self-invention.

                    • @WoL — Almost no one? Who, in your view, should be allowed to vote and make decisions for others? How close to anarchy do you think we should go? Or do you want to stop at absolute monarchy, which is after all as close to anarchy and lawlessness as it’s possible to go without actually arriving.

                    • Richard Spencer, as much as I totally disagree with the guy, knows his American history and makes a damn convincing case that the founding fathers thought that republican democracy would only work in a mostly ethnically homogeneous society. My point is that it was doomed to fail from the beginning whatever the racial makeup.

                      Democracy, as Plato knew well, leads inexorably to totalitarianism. Is Trump that totalitarian? Idk, but the ground from which he sprang will remain long after the end of his term, his impeachment, or his assassination.

                      I am a true liberal; therefore I do not support infinite choice or democracy or anarchy. What does that leave? We shall see.

                    • You sound like a monarchist to me. Sort of like Paul Maurras and his Action Francaise, but without an historic monarchy to nostalgically pine for. How sad for you.

                    • Thing about Plato: believing as he did that democracy landed inexorably in totalitarianism, he bypassed it completely and went straight there. Plato provided the philosophical template for all subsequent Western revolutionary totalitarianism.

                    • Let’s call Plato what he was: a would-be social engineer.

                    • Either providing the template or observing reality. I think history reveals the latter.

                      And of course I’m a monarchist; I am a Christian. And the King calls from the future, even into the present.

                • Headless Unicorn Guy says

                  I know that buying into the American mythos is damaging for all souls regardless of race.

                  And buying into the ISIS mythos or Holy Russia mythos or My Tribe vs the Subhumans mythos is any better?

                  Maybe “buying into the American mythos” is the least bad of a bunch of bad alternatives.

                  • First off, you’ve missed the point, as is your wont.

                    Secondly, if you think buying into the American mythos is the ‘least bad’ alternative, then you aren’t paying attention and must be thoroughly propagandized.

              • And you’re right: maybe 21st century US is where God wants a particular African immigrant. How the hell could I know? The poison of democracy is such that each individual member feels they have the power to say what is best for everyone, and when the democratic agenda inevitably fails, each individual bears the full-force of guilt for global failures.

                This is why boomers are so frustrating. They hand the next generations the shithole world (ravaged by sexual revolutions and preemptive wars) they created and then blame the Gen-X-ers, -Y-ers, and Z-ers for their disillusionment.

                • I’ll let Billy Joel say it for me:


                  If you think we (boomers) did start the fire, you need to catch up on your history, including its postmodern variants.

                • Clay Crouch says

                  Poor baby. Oh, grow up. You want some cheese with that whine?

                • “maybe 21st century US is where God wants a particular African immigrant. How the hell could I know?”

                  Leviticus 19:34 – The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

                  Matthew 25:35- For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,

                  Argue the particulars all you want, but the Biblical generalities are plain as day.

                  • Burro (Mule) says

                    Re; Leviticus, which apparently does not speak to pelvic issues but is authoritative for immigration policy, states that there shall be one Law for the Israelite and the foreigner. That is to say, the gehr was expected to assimilate.

                    Re: Matthew, see William of Lyons on fulfilling this scripture through almsgiving rather than public policy.

                  • @Eeyore—are you somehow divining from Leviticus that God wants all African immigrants in the US? That is one hell of a leap.

                    • A smaller leap than saying He’s ok with our shutting the door in their face.

                    • Certainly there are some proof-texts for anti-door-shutting. But if you can’t also find some biblical proof-texts for door-shutting, I dare say you haven’t read much of the Bible.

    • So we should close our borders and shut down all immigration now. It’s for their own good!

      • Borders don’t exist in reality. There is now only one nation: the Church in which all are one in Christ. All else will pass away to make way for the New Creation.

        • john barry says

          William of L. I guess it is how you define reality. I remember when John Edwards was running for President and he talked about there being the “reality” for him of two Americas, one rich, one poor, etc. The joke was Edwards did live in two Americas, in one he was married could not fool around and the other America he was not and able to fool around and actually have a child without anyone but the National Enquirer knowing about it. Talk about media bias, they would not go near the Edwards story until they had to. I trusted Edwards because he was a good trial lawyer, talk about id politics.
          Borders only exist if you believe them important and necessary to have a viable nation state. I have a door on my house so I can have control of my house . I like borders for many reasons. Good fences make good neighbors.
          I am barred from many places by artificial borders not based in reality. What is worse than Disney World where borders can be breached for a price , then you must wait in long lines for a 2 minute ride to escape reality . It is indeed a small world. Mr. Disney, tear down that wall, I am a populist.

          • I agree, John. It’s possible to believe both things at once. In the eschaton–which is among us–the borders and walls of the powers of this world do not matter. Also, borders and walls matter & the King doesn’t conquer through violence.

            Prog-x-ians have it wrong by trying to build the Kingdom or vote or tolerate it into existence. Those efforts too shall fail, as we can now see; tolerance as a Law always leads to intolerance in reality, often in a violent and gruesome (though subtle, if well-propagandized) way.

    • Burro (Mule) says

      I think the conversation needs to expand: Does the nation-state as defined after the Peace of Westphalia still have relevance in the 21st century? If so, how should it define itself? Ethnically? Linguistically? Geographically? How should it reflect the concerns and aspirations of its denizens?

      I’ll be blunt. I live in a very ‘diverse’ area. Not black, ‘diverse’. Central Americans, Ethiopians, Morrocans, Vietnamese, etc. Behind me live a family of Kosovars. They’ll greet me but they hate my dog. Dogs don’t belong in devout Muslim households. How was I to know what school of Islamic jurisprudence he subscribes to? Oh, I forgot. Diversity is our strength because we’re all exactly the same. Black Americans are a relief to talk to. We don’t like each other very well but we do at least understand each other.

      This place is a shithole, but it’s the only place I can afford to live in this city. It’s like there’s a 60% surcharge for living with white people. I wonder why that is. The bastards at CNN can decry Trump’s racism all they want from their penthouses in Buckhead or their 6 acre Macmansions in Senoia. Hypocrites.

      Trump’s language is my internal dialogue. Call me the anti-Merton if you like but I wonder what his Epiphany would have been like if he had been standing on Buford Highway in 2018 rather than in Louisville in 1958.

      • john barry says

        Burro , I always thought if the fact got out that most Muslims cannot abide dogs and I will even say hate them then Americans would really have a real Muslim backlash. In many places Muslim taxi drivers refuse to pick up blind people with seeing eye dogs. Dogs are revered in Zoroastrianism religion so to make it clear who was a Muslim dogs were banned.

        • Headless Unicorn Guy says

          I remember stories from South Sudan and Cameroon when blacks from south of them went for $20 in Khartoum’s slave markets. About how dogs were unclean so blind men were provided with Seeing-Eye Slaves.

      • Clay Crouch says

        They have sown the wind and reap the whirlwind. You have far less in common with the Donald than you do with your dog-hating Muslim neighbors. I hate cats. Make peace with your brother…

      • The decision to build walls and fight ancient wars starts and ends with you.

        And, I would say, with your decision to accept Christ.

        • Burro (Mule) says

          All I’m asking is some recognition that living among strangers in the country of my fathers is no cakewalk. I am getting older, and am no longer as strong or agile as I once was. As far as making peace with my neighbor, well, somebody’s values will prevail. Whose will they be? My Kosovar neighbor’s daughters already look at my emancipated daughter’s freedom with resentment. MS-13 is active here. Peace? I’m all for peace but it takes two to keep peace and only one to start a quarrel.

          This neighborhood didn’t get this way because the tides rose and the moon phased. Each one is the result of a decision on somebody’s part to give them permission to be here.

          By the way, the Salvadorans are shaking in their botas. They got their temporary amnesty sundowned by Trump who decided to pitch their continued presence here to Congress, knowing full well that corrupt and venial body couldn’t agree on anything. It’s the talk in all the puposerias. Unfortunately, it’ll be Mami and hardworking Papi who’ll be deported and the guy with the skull tattoo under his eye who sticks around until the migra picks him out of whatever thieves’ den he’s hiding in.

          This goes deeper than dogs. Your hatred of cats isn’t based on hadith, Clay. You have more in common with me than with your globalist handlers. Why can’t we agree ?

          • john barry says

            Burro (Mule) I am serious, I have great empathy for your situation. I grew up in Miami Florida and have seen the evolution of a city and culture as immigration both legal and illegal takes it course in a community. I usually do not like antidotal background but yours is relevant and rings true to me based on my personal experience and trying to educate myself on the subject. The 1965 Immigration Act of 1965 changed the course of this country forever. Couple that with the disaster of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act that gave legal amnesty but left the borders open.
            Thank you for your good comments made in good faith based on the real world effects you have personally witnessed and live in. The current immigration debate going on how is going to decide many things but in reality it is too late. Years ago I read that as Los Angles and New York City go the rest of the country will eventually follow their lead.
            What changed in California to insure that is a permanent blue state , way left of center can be answered in just one word , demographics.
            I will stop here but just wanted you to know I get it and your experience is not unique with the working middle class in America. The establishment Republicans and Democrats all agree on two issues , they want the unrestricted flow of people and goods without regards to national borders. They are globalist and if you disagree you are of course a racist, nationalist , nativist who does know we are a nation of immigrants, etc. Good luck to you and wish I had some comforting thoughts but really all Trump is doing is a rear guard action, the die is set. Actually the only native American in the Senate is of course Elizabeth Warren from the Harvard Trible.

          • Yes, Mule. It’d be nice for people to be able to speak to reality without being labelled racist. Some people are just itching for a chance to hoist the label on someone else—as if it somehow obviates their own sense of shame for thinking the same thing.

  12. I asked it on Facebook, probably should ask it here again.

    Should Christians be segregationists?

  13. metaphor piece was quite good. How about, sunk ship close lips —-a stitch never loses time—dry out your airy laundry —

    not very good but I have lost my shackle of thought.

    • Never count your eggs before they’re chickens crossing the road.

      • john barry says

        Rick Ro. Never count Sophia Vergera eggs until they are unfrozen and the court ruling is final. What a crazy world we live in. What came first the flash freezing or the egg?

  14. senecagriggs says

    Stuart and others; the Bible does speak to one’s speech, righteous versus unrighteous.

    Ephesians 4:29

    Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.

    • Totes, griggs. This requires discernment, a gift of the Spirit—not a law limiting vocabulary.

      • +1

        Your speech can be sweeten with honey so that nary a bad word comes out, and the Spirit would call that person an anti-Christ.

      • Headless Unicorn Guy says

        And the commandment usually (and conveniently) interpreted as banning cussing actually refers to claiming God’s command or sanction for doing evil. More like God is saying “You do your own dirty work!”

    • Do I really need to bring the Apostle Paul into this argument?

      Forest and trees.

      Letter of the law vs the spirit of the Law.

      The Bible vs Jesus.

      Shall I go on.

  15. Susan Dumbrell says

    From across the seas,

    anyone for a dose of antacid after today’s brunch?


  16. senecagriggs says


    82 percent European
    3.6 percent total visible minority [ Latins, Asians, Blacks, Arab etc. ]
    15 percent Aboriginal Group [ First Nations, Metis, Inuit ]


    • Klasie Kraalogies says

      And what is your point????.

      • Maybe he’s sharing with us where he’ll move when European Caucasian becomes a minority in the USA?

        • Headless Unicorn Guy says

          Idaho’s a little closer, Seneca.
          Home base of Christian Identity, White Aryan Resistance, and Covenant/Sword/Arm of The LORD and still close enough to Canada to border-jump if things get too hot.

  17. senecagriggs says

    USA percentage of non-Hispanics whites hits all time low of 63 percent.


    • Who cares?

      • Burro (Mule) says

        Apparently nobody.

        Maybe that’s his point. Eventually that percentage will drop to 42%, and European Americans will be another minority among many. We will no longer be able to exercise our hegemony at the ballot box.

        At that point, will we be allowed to organize in favor of whatever shared interests we have as European Americans without being tarred with the Worst People Evar brush?

        • Headless Unicorn Guy says

          “Everybody keeps lecturing us that we have to accept being a minority in our own country. Well, if we’re going to be a minority, where are all Our Special Minority Privileges?”
          — Grand Dragon of the Colorado Klan, quoted in a sidebar of 13th Gen by Strauss & Howe

      • Is it okay if someone cares about such a thing? Or are people not allowed to feel certain things anymore?

  18. Klasie Kraalogies says

    I can no longer be part of this. Thanks to the decent few here –
    Robert, HUG, the 3 Mike’s, Rick, Stuart, Stephen, Adam and others (sorry if I missed your name).

    • Bruch certainly got off the rails today, didn’t it…

    • I am increasingly of the same mind. I’ve read this site nearly every day for over ten years. I only comment when I think I have something worth saying (and that isn’t often), but I always follow the conversation and I am grateful that iMonk got me out of evangelicalism into something far more healthy (and eventually and happily out of religion altogether, but that’s another story). And people I trust are telling me that they think I need to step away. I think they are right.

  19. Fr Stephen’s latest two are germane, especially part 2 and the comments so far.


  20. I’m angry too. I’ve been angry for a long time. And I don’t want to be angry in 2018.

    I do not believe anymore that a majority of people in the Internet Monk readership give two shits about what Jesus said or how he lived his life. Merely what he did for them by dying.

    And that’s despicable.

    Delete this if you want, Chaplain Mike, but I am so sick and weary of seeing what has become of Michael Spencer’s site. The posts are good, the content is strong…the community has become toxic. And the fundamentalists are winning. I haven’t given up yet, but I am so close.


    • –> “And the fundamentalists are winning.”

      I would argue against that. Sure, there are a couple of fundie voices that pop up now and then, but I’d certainly not view them as “winning” any more than J does when he comes and lobs his anti-religion, anarchy-uber-alles grenades.

      • true

        • I see more conservative viewpoints raised here, particularly when politics come up, as they so often do, because religion is a very political thing. Some of the perspectives expressed trouble me greatly, particularly when they seem racist, or dismissive of or oblivious to the evil of racism. But there is no safe place to shelter from these things beyond the world of iMonk, or in it. We are at a moment, and one that will not pass soon. I hope both you and Klassie stay and engage that moment here at iMonk; I also understand if that is not possible for either of you, or anyone else. We all have our limits, given our different biographies and traumas. But whether you stay or go remember that, since Jesus is in it, it’s not a zero-sum game.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says

      I do not believe anymore that a majority of people in the Internet Monk readership give two shits about what Jesus said or how he lived his life. Merely what he did for them by dying.

      More like a majority of Evangelicals in general.
      Another result of a Gospel of Personal Salvation and ONLY Personal Salvation.

    • john barry says

      StuarttB. I did not know this site was a contest where there would be winners or losers. If I do win I want a trip to France and Wendy coupons. I thought this was a site dedicated to exchange ideas and thoughts in a respectful , manner. I do not see what all the angst is about but I guess it is what your expectations are.
      Is there some topics off the table or ideas that should not even be brought up? In my opinion this is a progressive , liberal orientated site with knowledge people who know the traditions of their faith and there beliefs well. I have only read a few stupid comments here but then I realized they were my own previous comments. My thoughts sound better in my head where the voices compete for attention.
      If the fundamentalist ? are winning what will be the prize for them? , a trip to Grand Canyon to count the sediment layers? Is there a format or script that is to be followed. I think many might think me a fundamentalist but I do get to chose my own snake so I consider myself a progressive, tip of the day, pick a cold one.
      I take a more relaxed attitude as I know I married Mrs. Right, I just did not know her first name was Always until it was too late. To quote Mr. Abraham Lincoln “the world will little note , nor long remember what we say here”, I think I can remain humble and keep my wandering thoughts in perspective because if Lincoln thought his eloquent , true words would not be remembered what is the real impact of our entertaining, meandering , opinioned thoughts and comments no matter how sincere and valid they seem to us. Many times Mrs. Right will get me a grain of salt, I just do not get it.

      • You don’t understand. There are people here who’ve had to essentially cult deprogram themselves to escape their traumatic fundamentalist backgrounds, and some things set old memories off. And there have been more of those things lately.

        • john barry says

          Robert f. This is rare for me but honestly I am speechless. I think some are taking this site far too seriously but that is my newbie opinion. So much for the free exchange of ideas in a non threatening manner.

          • This site was established by Michael Spencer as an oasis in the evangelical desert for those who escaped the cult-like subculture that exists in many places in modern American fundamentalism. I’m not one of those escapees; my background is very different. But I’ve been around here long enough to know that the prize that some here are struggling to win, for years and sometimes decades, is psychological and emotional survival. There is always, always a serious side to the exchange of ideas, especially when it concerns religion, and freedom, from and for religion, has had a tremendous cost to many people who frequent this site. Religion is life and death. Don’t you know that?

            • +1. Not an escapee myself, but certainly have seen the damage unhealthy religion has caused others, including many here at iMonk. Because I believe it’s what Jesus Christ preached, I have now joined forces with those who’ve escaped unhealthy Christianity (run by Pharisees of the highest order) to find a healthy place to worship God and Jesus, and to push-back on those who continue to say our walk with the Lord must be a burden.

      • I thought this was a site dedicated to exchange ideas and thoughts in a respectful , manner.

        There’s a vast difference between this and what often happens.

        Is there some topics off the table or ideas that should not even be brought up?

        See my question about segregationists. Is that a topic that should be off the table? I’m waiting for someone to say yes or no, and say why. I’m waiting for the Biblical defense of segregationism. I’m hearing plenty of defenses, some Biblical, of incredibly racist and sexist positions. But that’s their truth, right? judge not. Let’s have an honest discussion precisely why some people are lesser. Let’s talk about the “why” behind the shithole comment.

        to essentially cult deprogram themselves to escape their traumatic fundamentalist backgrounds

        We escaped and we’re a threat. We expose the falsehoods and the lies and the errors. And we can’t be brought to kneel by altar calls or church disciplines or by the sword or hanging tree.

        And people have the self delusion, the gall, the projectionist hypocrisy, to accuse others of what they are doing. “Not so tolerant of my intolerance.” *SMIRK*

        Some days I can’t help but view this as war. Even if I truly know that it’s just ideas that are the enemy, not people. I don’t wish anyone ill. But I wish they’d repent and change. Not just for my sake, but for those that they damn and hurt.

        • Burro (Mule) says

          I’ll just come out and say this as directly as I can. People from different backgrounds and different cultures are not “lesser” in any quantifiable sense. they are, however, different, and cultures are more different than people are, I mostly get along with my Kosovar neighbor. We observe the American civilities. However, his reluctance to shake my hand or allow me to touch his children after I have stroked my dog irks me. It is a minor irritation, no more, but it wouldn’t happen with most ‘heritage’ Americans, black or white. I do things that irk him. We irk each other. He’s the one who came here, but I’m the bad guy, the triggerer, the cross-burner, for being irked?

          Just an irritation, like the boys cat-calling my daughter in Spanish at the convenience store (which we both understand), or the Cambodian guy who doesn’t speak enough English at Target to tell me where the men’s underwear is, or the Moroccan guy who returns my ‘Merry Christmas’ with a lecture on Isa’s prophethood. These aren’t body blows, to be certain. They’re just irritations. I wear size 32 underwear. I can live with it.

          Sure, I like to pop in at the halal shop, or eat at the Korean BBQ, or watch Alianza Lima vs Boca Junior on the wide screen at the puposeria, so you have to take the good with the bad. I have noticed that some groups of immigrants fare better in the US than others. Koreans do better than Laotians. Argentinians do better than Salvadorans. Bahamians do better than Haitians. Ethiopians do better than West Africans. That’s basically what Trump said in crass Trump-talk. Is it better to pretend that they’re all alike and we should have no preferences?

          I deal with more ‘diversity’ in fifteen minutes than most of you all do in a week, yet I’m the guy who’s steering IMonk towards the sewer.

          • Never, ever said that you were or implied otherwise.

            • @StuartB—Hard to tell who you’re talking about, man. You’re pretty vague. I’d think you were writing about me if you hadn’t accused the offender(s) of racism and sexism. (If it is me, you misunderstand).

              I fear that you’ve gone from fundie-cult into another fundie-cult, as I did once upon a time. ‘Conservatives’ and ‘progressives’ both have their own versions. And neither really gives two shits about what Jesus actually said. I’d advise you stop following the news and start reading the desert fathers (and mothers); it’d sure be better for your soul.

              Apologies for the unsolicited advice…

      • And, just for the record…

        The President paying for sex with a pornstar and paying her more money to keep her quiet is not an issue. It’s a Non Issue. It’s one of the least scandalous things he’s done.

        The President demeaning and calling a whole people group and nation a shithole is. The President beating and raping his first wife after a botched plastic surgery is. The President calling for the imprisonment and execution of innocent black men is. The President joking about sexually assaulting underage girls is.

        81% of White Evangelical Christians in America saying that’s alright, we choose him over a lifelong devout fellow Christian who has helped millions through her career….that most certainly is a Bad Thing Huge Issue too.

        • The President claiming, without any evidence, that a former FBI agent has committed treason is…

    • @StuartB—don’t let the kwa or the wignats get you down.

  21. a dead finch
    by the library entrance
    beyond all learning

  22. As I’m sure many of you know, today Hawaii had a very frightening false-alarm of an incoming ballistic missile. The warning was in effect for approximately half an hour. According the our government, it was an employee error, not an actual event, that set off the alarm. After all these decades, with early warning systems in place, nothing like this has happened until now, just at the moment when tension is ratcheted up higher than it’s been in God knows how long. Quite a coincidence. The thing is, I’m not sure I believe much our government says these days; and I’m certainly not believing their narrative about this.

  23. john barry says

    Robert f. Great as long as it is not Atticus. We must observe the right pecking order

  24. I’ll get on the job of learning not to mix metaphors right away, because after all:

    A stitch in time gathers no moss.

  25. Susan Dumbrell says

    On returning from a beautiful Church Service this morning where we were given time to sit in the quiet with God, I come home, read the blog which occurred while I was praying (heaven forbid I should waste my time on that), to feel my back arch and I hiss like my cat.

    Why are you all agin each other?

    This an excellent site and the petty arguments, which each one thinks is their right to express, creates such disharmony.
    It seems to me we are becoming more antagonistic with each passing week.

    The angels must have covered their ears with their wings listening to you all.

    I am an old lady by today’s standards so by experience I see the futility of so much of today’ blog.
    There, I have had my tuppence worth.

    Enjoy your prayers.

    Peace, Susan

    • Welcome to the new dark age.

      I suspect you were in your prime when things weren’t on the verge of collapse. Must have been nice. But for those of us who are young enough, we have to do the hard work of living with the world you have passed on. Not that it’s all your fault; most of us are pretty powerless over the powers that be. And though there be a demonological structure to the world—God’s final victory having been won but not yet manifested in its fullness–there is also a logical structure to it, imbued as it is with the Logos. Though it be dark and may get darker still, God’s light shines and is not overcome.

  26. Headless Unicorn Guy says

    “For instance, an employee who sexually identifies as ‘a yellow-scaled wingless dragonkin’ …

    From the guy with 20+ years in Furry Fandom:
    That is no exaggeration — “yellow-scaled wingless dragonkin” as sexual identity, I mean.

    A few years ago, Furry Fandom’s shock comic “2 the Ranting Griffin” did a cussword-filled monologue about “dragonkin”, i,e, “I’m really a Dragon — just disguised to your puny human eyes”. Said every Dragon he encountered in the fandom was 400+ pounds (none of that muscle) and flaming bi. (And given the number of flat-out crazies who gravitate to the fandom, I concur.)

  27. Susan Dumbrell says

    I did post, I was moderated.

    • Susan Dumbrell says

      why weren’t so many of you also moderated.
      I have so many answers why I was. hmm.

      • Christiane says

        oh, Susan, I’m moderated all the time, I think . . . and thank God I am! 🙂

        what happened might not have been ‘moderation’ . . . . . check directly with Chaplain Mike . . . he can clarify this for you

        you are much valued here, please know this . . . . sending hug

        • Susan Dumbrell says

          Thank you Christane,
          just having a fit of the …………………’s
          I wish I could fathom the logic of moderating.
          I did send a questioning email.
          Hug received.
          Bless you,

  28. senecagriggs says



    One of the commenters complained because no one responded to the question of whether or not we [ the conservatives ] thought people should be segregated. On my part, I didn’t respond because I never think that way. But for a lot of people with the mindset of a progressive/liberal, they think conservatives are for forced segregation, the poisoning of our water system and the death of Grandma. AND, having been called a racist for the last 50 years, because I’m conservative; I’m immune to that insult. It’s pure projection in my opinion.

    Anyhow, interesting article form that bastion of liberalism; the N.Y. Times. [ Maybe they’re racists right? ]