October 20, 2020

Internet Monk Radio Podcast #157

podcast_logo.gifThis week: The journey from evangelicalism to liturgy. Self-Assessment and The Loving Father

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  1. Your comments about the folks interupting the preacher speaking in tongues and your assesment that much evangelical worship is seeking to create something was spot on.

    the churches I came up in did not speak in tongues, but everything else was fair game. if one sunday someone ran the aisle, then the next somebody better walk the pews, or walk outside the church and preach thru the windows, or if someone shouted, then somebody next week better shout and cry, and what was really strange was when folks began to confess their sins in “testimony” services where one persons sins had to exceed the previous one’s

    i don’t say this spitefully, but as one who has had years experience with this type of thing, and I am glad to have left it behind, but i reall think there is some sort of pyschological addiction where you have to do more and more to get the same high

  2. Wow, you comment about so many of the guys you met on the men’s retreat having remarkably similar stories…

    I’ll throw mine on the pile:

    Grew up baptist. Went charismatic in college and for a while after. Now have a wife and kids. Am really wishing for something liturgical and solid.

    And a note to some of you liturgical Calvinists out there: Do you have to keep the B.B. Warfield rhetoric and the John MacArthur stuff? Look at the journey of who is in your congregation. You likely have so many closet charismatics, it’s not even funny.

  3. I grew up Baptist, became a Charismatic in my late teens which morphed into the Prosperity Gospel, of which I was involved for 17 years. Left the group last year. Today I am uncertain which direction to head and I guess I’m in no rush either. For 17 years I heard one message, How to get stuff from God, but never the Gospel.

  4. Michael, ever since becoming a dad myself, I have come to understand what being a child of God is all about… what grace is. God love us like we love our children… only better. Whenever I try to explain that to people, I get either a blank stare or rabid opposition. I don’t get that. Regardless, that knowledge has changed my life, my theology, and my heart.

    I guess this is an “amen post” on the podcast…, thanks. Listening to the sermon, now…

  5. I started out in Calvary Chapel, then went to a non-denominational church (which was pretty much baptist). Since high school I’ve spent some time in charismatic churches. But, I never went to them for the charismatic stuff — I believe in the “charismatic” gifts, but they aren’t mine, so I haven’t really pursued that.

    I would call myself interdenominational. I’m more Lutheran and Neo-Orthodox in my dotrine than anything else, but I’ve spent time in all kinds of churches. I’ve never picked a church based upon its denomination. But, I really enjoy worshiping with Roman Catholics, Lutherans, and Orthodox Christians. Problem is I often am not allowed to take communion. I enjoy Anglican worship as well. However, though most would let me take communion without being a member, I’d have to become a member to be ordained.

    However, I’ve sought to stay an independent, because I believe strongly in the ecumenical movement. Perhaps this is a stupid way to go about it, but it’s been my conviction. I’ve talked to my wife about just giving in and joining the Lutherans, but her conviction to stay independent is stronger than mine. I’d like to find a place in the liturgical church, but don’t want to have to join a denomination. This is something I like about the non-denoninational movement and the emerging (I use the term loosely) church movement.

  6. imonk, boy you have described my journey. Reared in a SBC, became a Jesus Freak/charismatic non-denomination, shepherding movement person for a little over three decades. I have been in a UMC contemporary church where the pastor still held to a little of the old methodist tradition for about two years now. It has been tremendously refreshing, too. I discovered Father Groeshel on the EWTN. He is a wonderful teacher and I was able to discuss some “Catholic stuff” with a co-worker. I have become interested in the ancient church, it’s history, worship, literature, and art work. I really don’t know where I am going, but it is fun! Oh, I left out that my new son-in-law is Catholic.

  7. Hey Michael. The weekend was great – but I had the same reaction to the “tick announcement”. I don’t know why, but there is nothing in the world quite so horrific as the thought of one of those tiny little critters on my person. But you forgot to mention also that once the power went off, some of us were left to search for the little tag-alongs by candlelight!

    The stuff about the journey being wrapped up in a search to see the Spirit moving in power definitely rings true. I now see that my own journey from a congregationalist setting to the Anglican Church through the charismatic movement happened in precisely such a vein. What surprised me, at the “end” of the journey was watching the Eucharist for the first time and seeing and ‘feeling’ the power of the Spirit in the liturgy – one Body praying in unison and calling out for the Holy Spirit to come amongst us. It still takes my breath away.