July 12, 2020

Coffee Cup Apologetics 5: Believing in the Christian God Despite Evil (con’t)

041-coffee-steam-cup-pic.jpgI continue with reasons to believe in the Christian God despite the reality of evil.

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  1. Fremen_Warrior66 says

    I posted on this subject within my own blog. I’d rather not share my blog, as its kind of personal, however I will quote the post here.

    Today we went up to church and had a group fast. I’ll admit it wasn’t that hard. I’ve gone longer without food just from being too lazy to make something for myself to eat. However it helped me to gain a perspective on my thoughts and actually sit down and think. Sometimes it seems I’m so concentrated on thinking other people’s thoughts that I don’t take the time for my own. Anyways, It was a good time for me to just sit down alone with me and my Bible, no third parties. I read through the book of Philippians. I’m always amazed at the zealousness of Paul in this letter. He talks about how “to die is gain and to live is christ”. That’s one dedicated guy right there.

    People always seem to bring up the question. Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people.

    Personally, I’ve never been interested in finding an answer to that question. As the Margaret Attwood video mentioned, Job asked the same question of God, and he just basically told him that he was God and Job was not.

    Why should we assume that its God’s duty to stop death and pain? Is that his purpose? To spare us from those kinds of situations? Should we look at pain so negatively? Sure it hurts, but only for a little bit. If you’ve seen the film Little Miss Sunshine there’s a moment where the uncle tells his nephew about this author (the name escapes me at the moment) who said something to the affect of, the best times in my life were the most painful. Pain gives us meaning, struggle gives us meaning. Death, gives us meaning. At least in this life. So why are we so intent on avoiding it? Shouldn’t we be praying to God for more trials, for more pain? Why are we asking for what most everyone else has had, a normal life?

    But then how could I know? I’ve never felt any real pain. Pain so deep and wide, that you feel enveloped in blackness. I’ve met people that have felt that. There’s a history on my mom’s side of sexual abuse. One of my relatives talked about how she felt empty in the aftermath of that abuse. She felt bitter for a long time, until she “discovered the light Jesus can shine on your life”. I haven’t felt that kind of pain yet. I’m sure if some accident were to befall me tomorrow, I’d be cursing my self. “You idiot, why’d you go and pray for that”. I’d probably tell God I didn’t know what I was saying. I’d probably beg him to take the pain away. There’s no denying that pain sucks. Everyone spends their lives trying to avoid it, insure against it. Our goal is to live with as little pain as possible.

    But then Paul goes and says something like this.

    Philippians 3:7-11

    But whatever was to my profit I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith. I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, and so, somehow, to attain to the resurrection from the dead.

    James is another guy that talks about pain. The very first thing in the book of James (excluding the introduction of the author of course) deals with pain.

    Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

    I’m sure if I looked harder I could find even more stuff. I mean, as the saying goes, “life is pain” and the bible’s all about life.

  2. Rob (an heir to the Kingdom) says

    Good CCA PodCast. I like what you said about the existence of compassion. And things like that can only exist if there is suffering.

    It’s been a while since I’ve heard it said that the best evidence for the existence of God is the existence of evil. I first heard that over at Stand to Reason.

    Many people want to say that a good God cannot exist because there is evil and suffering in the world. But as you’ve pointed out, God exists as an objective source of good in which to compare something evil to and call it evil.