February 23, 2020

Saturday Ramblings: November 7, 2015

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1957 Nash Rambler Custom Cross Country Station Wagon

Dark November is advancing and so I’ve chosen a black beauty of a Rambler for us to ramble about in today. Isn’t this ’57 wagon magnificent?

Well, what are you waiting for? Hop in, and let’s ramble!

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Ramblers-Logo36Since we are rapidly approaching the end of this liturgical year and the beginning of Advent, today’s Ramblings will feature occasional shots of some of the worst liturgical vestments foisted upon the Church and a few of the lesser known feasts for which they were worn. Thanks to Christopher Johnson of the Bad Vestments blog and Nicholas G. Hahn III at RealClearReligion for exposing these atrocities.

The clear winner when you search “bad vestments” is Bishop Katherine Jefforts Schori, whose taste in garb is matched only by her bad biblical exegesis and theology. Here is the Bishop in all her sartorial glory:

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Ramblers-Logo36Now, without any comment from me, it’s time for our weekly Bible study, sponsored by Buzzfeed.

Today’s guest lecturer is Dr. Ben Carson, who, coincidentally, is teaching about Joseph and the pyramids of Egypt. Dr. Carson first talked about what he is sharing with us today at Andrews University 17 years ago, and he still holds his interpretation today. Dr. Carson, please tell us about this fascinating biblical subject.

21-ben-carson.w529.h529Certainly. Thank you for having me today.

My own personal theory is that Joseph built the pyramids to store grain. Now all the archeologists think that they were made for the pharaohs’ graves. But, you know, it would have to be something awfully big if you stop and think about it. And I don’t think it’d just disappear over the course of time to store that much grain.

The pyramids were made in a way that they had hermetically sealed compartments. You wouldn’t need hermetically sealed compartments for a sepulcher. You would need that if you were trying to preserve grain for a long period of time.

There have been other interpretations as well. Various scientists have said, “Well, you know there were alien beings that came down and they have special knowledge and that’s how they were built.” But, you know, it doesn’t require an alien being when God is with you.

This is my belief, based on the biblical evidence. Adventism believes the entirety of the Bible.

Thank you, Dr. Carson. Wait, we have a comment from someone in the class. Yes, please introduce yourself and make your comment.

Yes, thank you. My name is John C. Darnell and I’m a professor of Egyptology at Yale. The primary content of the pyramids are stones, they are elaborate massive structures with little internal space to be used as storage of anything.

Also, the story of Joseph is set in the time of Egypt’s Middle Kingdom, five centuries after the pyramids of Giza were built.

Pyramids. Not granaries. We know this with 100% certainty.

Guess we’ll have to leave it there. Lot to think about, huh?

 

Ramblers-Logo36Speaking of great pictures, Damaris sent me a link to this post, in which auto mechanics recreate Renaissance paintings. Here are a few of them. Outstanding!

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Ramblers-Logo36TetrisLaura Turner has written three helpful pieces on the subject of evangelical “lingo” at RNS. Here are the links:

Here are the evangelical clichés she explores:

  • Doing life together
  • Love on
  • Jesus with skin on
  • Love the sinner, hate the sin
  • “Just” (as in, “Lord we just want to thank you . . .”)
  • God-shaped hole
  • Raw/messy/vulnerable/real
  • “Humbled”
  • Missional
  • Biblical
  • Servant’s heart
  • “Modest is hottest”

What other Christian “insider language” bugs you?

 

Ramblers-Logo36colorblindAs if there weren’t enough confusion about gender confusion these days, scientists in the U.K. are now confused about the sex of one of the oldest trees in Europe.

The tree is the 5,000 year old Fortingall Yew in Perthshire, Scotland. For centuries of its long life, the tree has been recorded as male because it has male pollen-releasing buds. However, a botanist at the Royal Botanic Garden in Edinburgh recently noticed that berries, which only female yews can produce, are sprouting on one of the ancient tree’s branches.

An article in the Huffington Post explains:

Yew trees are typically dioecious, which means they are either male or female. But a sex change can occur if there is a shift in the balance of a tree’s growth regulators, or hormones, the Washington Post reported.

Sometimes a tree even can maintain two sexes at once for extended periods of time, which may be what has occurred with this yew.

Despite its old age, the tree appears to be healthy and lively enough to maintain an intersex lifestyle.

Wait . . . did he say this tree is going to maintain an intersex lifestyle?

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Ramblers-Logo36This week in music history . . .

What many consider the greatest rock concert film of all time, Martin Scorcese’s The Last Waltz, opened to rave reviews in New York City in 1977.

This was the final concert for The Band, who had played together for 16 years. Recorded on Thanksgiving Day, 1976 at San Francisco’s Winterland, the group invited a remarkable cast of performers to join them on stage, including Ronnie Hawkins, their original leader, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Eric Clapton, Neil Diamond, Joni Mitchell, the Staples Singers, Emmylou Harris, Ron Wood, Paul Butterfield, Ringo Starr, and Dr. John.

If you want to see the whole group, watch the wonderful rendition of “I Shall Be Released” that they do en masse.

But today, we’re going to feature one of The Band’s songs that really captures their energy, led by the remarkable Levon Helm on drums and vocals. He is missed.

Comments

  1. Bishop Katherine Jefforts Schori looks like some New Age High Priestess but, then, the rest of the bad vestment wearers look just as embarrassing.

    • Oh yeah, and maybe I am first…maybe…

    • I dislike Schori’s vestments, and her bad biblical exegesis, but I’ve gotten even more annoyed with the habit among her detractors of calling her a High Priestess. She’s not a pagan, she’s not a priestess; as much as I disagree with her, she’s a priest, and she’s my Presiding Bishop.

      • Well, she was my Presiding Bishop. I forget that very recently the new PB was installed: Bishop Curry.

        • I was going to say, I thought he was supposed to step up sometime around now…

          And as for the outgoing PB, would you rather have her wear these outfits, or the purple miter/green cope combo she’s been wearing to every major event since her consecration?

      • Robert, how can she be your BIshop when you say you have been attending a Lutheran church ?

        • My wife and I are Episcopalian. We met in an Episcopal church: she came from Christian and Missionary Alliance background, and I grew up Roman Catholic. She works as organist/choir director at the Lutheran parish, and has drafted me for its choir, so we spend our Sunday mornings, and other times, among Lutherans. But we both love and value the Prayerbook tradition, and the Episcopal/Anglican liturgies, so we maintain our membership at a local Episcopal parish, and attend the Saturday evening service when possible (though due to her subbing as musician for a local Catholic parish’s Saturday evening service, it’s not often possible).

      • Sorry to offend, Robert, but I don’t pay much attention to that type of criticism and had never heard it before. I just commented in reaction to what I saw for the first time. If I unknowingly repeated a meme that had been circulating for some time then, well, maybe it just FITS!

        • It’s a meme because many conservative minds think alike, but it’s still an insult first and foremost. Go make fun of your own denominational leaders; I’m sure there’s plenty to make fun of.

        • And I think the overuse of the word meme has become a meme; I’ll be happy when the trend ends, and the word falls into disuse.

          • Adam Tauno Williams says

            You mean the anti-meme meme? Long discussions to be had about the memes used by those who analyse the memes of the anti-meme crowd.

          • Perhaps if more Evanglicals knew the word “meme” was coined by noted evolutionary biologist and professional anti-religious polemicist Richard Dawkins, they, if only they, would stop using the term immediately.

            Adam clearly supports recursion.

          • He actually used it right, here. The problem is that people are substituting “meme” for “image macro.”

      • Jazziscoolithink says

        I don’t know anything about her other than that she was the presiding bishop of the Episcolpal church. What are some examples of her bad exegesis?

        • Richard Hershberger says

          Episcopalians are prone to banal multiculturalism (which is not to say that all multiculturalism is banal). I would not be in the least bit surprised to find that coming from Schori, but then again I would not be surprised to find that from any Episcopalian bishop. What brings out the knives in Schori’s case is her unforgivable genitalia.

          To made sense of this, you have to understand Anglican ecclesiology. It is, on paper, very similar to Roman Catholic, with bishops creating priests, and created by previous bishops, putatively running all the way back to the Apostles. The other bit is that to the conservative wing, these people must all be male.

          The Episcopal Church has been ordaining women since the 1970s. This presented a problem for the conservative wing, but not an insurmountable one. The Episcopal Church differs from the Catholics in that the individual parish selects (and pays) its own priest. So a conservative parish that doesn’t accept the validity of female ordination simply doesn’t hire a female priest.

          Female bishops present a much bigger problem. It is easy to identify the sex of a priest under consideration for hire. But who ordained him? A female bishop is, to this wing, no bishop at all. She therefore cannot create a priest, regardless of the candidate’s sex. So this person being considered for hire might himself be impeccably male, but have been putatively ordained by a female non-bishop, and therefore be no priest at all. Or perhaps he was ordained by a man, but that man was elevated to the episcopacy by a woman. And so on.

          This is why female bishops are a bridge too far, where female priests are not. Nor, for that matter,are gay priests or bishops. This is why Schori draws far more ire than does Gene Robinson. Any even vaguely honest knows that there have been gay priests and bishops all along. Robinson’s crime is being open about it, but even so he doesn’t present an existential danger the way a female bishop does.

          • So it’s akin to the “but I’m descended from Abraham” idea?

          • At the Lambeth Conference a few years back (when Rowan Williams was still archbishop of Canterbury), he literally asked Jefferts Schori to remove her miter when they went into session, because the CofE didn’t yet have any women bishops, and the conservative CofE bishops who were attending had (as you say) their knives out.

            This year, England got its 1st woman bishop, and the conservative faction is (understatement) furious.

            If I were Williams, I don’t think I’d have had the gall to be able to ask Jefferts Schori to take off her miter for any reason other than gaudiness. But then, I am not male, so…

          • As to who can and can’t consecrate bishops or ordain priests, there used to be “wandering bishops” who were acknowledged by the CofE. Which, if you look it up, is not only ridiculous, but is a good argument for allowing women to ordain priests as well as become becoming bishops themselves. The flagrant irregularities of the whole “wandering bishops” deal are almost beyond belief. [said with a nod and a wink]

          • Eckhart Trolle says

            In other words, it’s just differences of theological opinion, rather than anything objectively “bad”…? Only you closet fundies would consider ancient, institutional sexism to be a positive.

          • Huh? A lot of us are pro-ordination of women. hell, some of us (like yours truly) actually *are* women.

          • Richard Hershberger says

            “In other words, it’s just differences of theological opinion, rather than anything objectively “bad”…?”

            It’s why anything that “Schori says or does, or doesn’t say and doesn’t do, is really beside the point. Hence the vagueness around the affirmations that of course she is saying or doing something bad. There is no need to go into specifics. The affirmations are largely window dressing. They are handy for talking with outside conservatives, who likely don’t share conservative Episcopalians’ ecclesiology. Pointing out that the problem is with priests lacking the proper Apostolic Succession credentials would raise the embarrassing point that nether do the vast majority of Protestant pastors. This would be divisive, rather than leading those other conservatives to cluck sympathetically about the horrors of having some wacky liberal running things. Better to merely affirm that she is a wacky liberal and leave it at that.

          • I have to chuckle when somebody calls Numo a “closet fundie.” You have to be pretty far out in left field to say that, in more ways than one. 😛

          • Yes, Miguel, that is an example of complete cluelessness.

          • Miguel – Indeed they do. 😉 i got a chuckle out of it myself.

            Guess i can add it to the list that started with “heretic” a few years back.

          • Eckhart Trolle says

            I’m mystified as to why anyone thought my reply to Herschberger was addressing Numo. “Ancient sexism” refers to the practice of ordaining only men. (Evangelicals got rid of the priesthood but kept the sexism.) By “closet fundy” I mean that many or most of you like to criticize fundamentalists, though your own beliefs are very similar.

          • ET – probably because it wasn’t obvious to anyone that you were replying to him and not to me. You know, when things show up as replies *after* the “reply” button stops showing?

          • fwiw, Richard is fairly liberal, and a Lutheran.

        • A couple of years ago Bishop Schori preached a sermon in Venezuela. Among other things, she condemned the apostle Paul for casting a demon out of a slave girl (Acts 16:16-19). Bishop Schori claimed that Paul deprived her “of her gift of spiritual awareness.”

          Here’s a link to Bishop Schori’s sermon so that you can see this for yourself:

          http://episcopaldigitalnetwork.com/ens/2013/05/13/presiding-bishop-preaches-in-curacao-diocese-of-venezuela/

          • Since one of Christopher Johnson’s blogs was mentioned in the post, I thought I’d include a link to his comments on Bishop Schori’s sermon from his main blog, Midwest Conservative Journal.

            http://themcj.com/?p=40283

          • Notice that that wasn’t the point of the sermon, though; it was a supporting statement to her thesis. And it wasn’t the only one, either. Her saying that is no worse than any of the “10 Things God Can’t Do Unless You…” that Michael Spencer mentioned in passing.

            But no, let’s just read our own perceptions of the outgoing Presiding Bishop into what she said and pat each other on the back that we’re not liberal nutters like her.

          • Bishop Schori’s statement may, or may not, be the main point of her sermon. However, it reveals a lot about her spiritual discernment, or, more precisely, the lack thereof.

            I should note that I was still an Episcopalian when she took office. I am no longer. Neither are thousands of others. Numerous congregations and five dioceses also left on her watch.

            One point of correction: Bishop Schori’s nine-year term as Presiding Bishop ended October 31. Her successor, Bishop Michael Curry, was installed in a service at the Washington National Cathedral on November 1.

          • I’ll be the first to admit that the loss of conservatives is a tragic blow to the Church. While I’m not an Anglican, I have very great respect and love for the tradition and the open-mindedness and welcoming that comes part-and-parcel with it. I hope Bishop Curry can rebuild the broken factions into the variegated glory that all the blogs trumpet about in TEC.

      • “New Age High Priestess” makes me think of Galadriel. Would a New Age Priestess wear vestments? Would she even wear clothes?

    • “Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts; which devour widows’ houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation” (Luke 20:46-47).

      • Why don’t you just say that you think Schori is a false religious leader and will go to hell, instead of making the Gospel of Luke say it for yo? After all, it’s your opinion, not Luke’s.

        • …for you?

        • It’s offensive when Christians use scripture to make it appear that their opinion is God’s. It happens a lot; I guess they think their opinion will have more weight if others think God is on their side.

        • Seriously. Call this type of thing out. Don’t ever let anyone hide behind the words of the Bible.

        • It’s amazing the kind of things Scripture speaks to. My a-priori is; Scripture is correct in all it says and wise is the person who applies it to their life.

          • “Judge not, that you be not judged.” Matt. 7: 1

            Anybody can play. What does it prove? That we can all use the Bible as if it’s a sock puppet, and make it validate what are really just our own opinions.

            And I would wager that there are far more widow-house devourers among the expensive business-suited preachers presiding over the liturgies of mega-churches than at General Convention. By a long shot.

          • Clay Crouch says

            What’s even more amazing scary are the things some folks think scripture speaks to.

      • Clay Crouch says

        Point missed. Talk about bad biblical exegesis.

    • Clay Crouch says

      Yes, she is for some, an easy target. Bad exegesis and questionable wardrobes are failings common to a lot of us. It does seem that TEC gets short shrift in IMonk articles when discussing potential landing zones for post evangelicals. The new Presiding Bishop considers himself an evangelical in the classic sense of the term.

      • Burro [Mule] says

        if the remarks that were made about Bishop Schorr were made about CJ Mahaney or Doug Wilson, nobody here would make a peep.

        I’ll go on record saying that I don’t believe Bishop Schorr is a priest any more than I believe Benny Hinn is a prophet, or Peter Fitzek is a king, but I’ll call her ‘Bishop’ because the canons of etiquette still allow you to pay lip service to the form while denying the substance.

        But it’s always informative to see who squawks when rocks start flying.

        • I’m with ya there, Mule. “I get to throw my rocks, but wait…you’re throwing rocks at something that *I* like! NOOOO!”

          • But it’s always informative to see who squawks when rocks start flying.

            Isn’t that the truth !!!!! Mule, good for you in calling out the usual cast of characters. The feigned outrage when you hit to close to home yet they practice the same behavior in talking about someone not in their tribe.

          • How dare you presume to attribute “feigned outrage” to people whose motivations you don’t know in the least. Have you been keeping a list, too, like Mule, to see who criticizes evangelical figures mentioned on this blog, and with what frequency? You won’t find my name on this list, except on occasion when there is credible evidence that they’ve been involved in criminal or near-criminal abuse of their power and authority, something of which Bishop Shori has not been accused.

          • Dr. Fundystan, Proctologist says

            Which brings up a good point. Shori was poked today, largely because she has the fashion sense of Adam Sandler mixed with the flair of Prince. And yes, anyone who has listened to any of her teaching has to admit that understanding the text just isn’t a concern for her (which is something very different than saying that she is a bad teacher). But she hasn’t done anything wrong. Which is why I really don’t understand “comparisons” with CJ Mahaney, for example.

        • Clay Crouch says

          Mule, I understand your stance regarding her sex vis-a-vis ordination as a priest. You’ve made your position abundantly clear and while I don’t agree with you, I certainly enjoy reading your views.

          For the record, I have squawked about Mahaney and squawked mightily about Wilson because I do know and disagree with a lot of their positions and practices. What do Mule, Rick Ro or David know about about Katharine Jefferts Schori other than her funny hat and vestments? Could you have picked her out of a lineup before this morning? Come on, there were no rocks flying just childish snickering at someone’s garb.

          David, do a little heavy lifting or at least read the comments. There was no discussion of her doctrines or her beliefs. In fact Robert F, an Episcopalian, was the one who questioned her biblical exegesis. How’s that for talking about someone in your own tribe. You evangelicals could benefit from a bit more self-criticism.

          • Clay, I probably could tell you a lot. Why do you assume I am an evangelical ? The fact is that I am now a Catholic after having spent 23 years as an Episcopalian. Time for you to do some heavy lifting about which you probably know very little.

          • Clay, I was an episcopalian for 23 years not evangelical as you suppose. Maybe it’s time you did some heavy lifting and don’t assume things you don’t know.

          • Clay Crouch says

            David, my apologies for assuming you were an evangelical. I’m a cradle Episcopalian, but I’m always up for a little education. My contention was that the “rocks” that were flying weren’t substantive but silly and that it was an Episcopalian who questioned Schori’s biblical skills. For the record, I am delighted that she is gone and that Bishop Curry has replaced her as Presiding Bishop. We can certainly agree on one thing, I do know very little.

          • Some Catholics can sound like evangelicals; this is especially true of conservative Protestants of many kinds who become Catholic. And there has been a evangelical contingent in the Episcopal church, though most have left for more conservative pastures, like evangelicalism….or the Catholic Church.

          • Klasie Kraalogies says

            Some of the comments have the distinct aroma of convertitis…

          • Clay, they know that she is a woman. For Mule that’s enough.

            BTW, the “funny hat” is called a miter. (Bishops in chess have stylized ones.)

        • Apples to oranges, and you know it.

        • Richard Hershberger says

          As a point of information, the canons of etiquette also call for getting peoples’ names right.

        • Mule, I like reading your thoughts, observations, and opinions. But I must say that you often come across as barnacle encrusted, mean-spirited, turd of a traditionalist. However, I suspect that in your view I’ve just paid you a complement…

          • Ouch.

          • tom aka Volkmar – thanks for being direct, though you just went further than I have ever done.. And you’re right; he will take that as a compliment.

          • Burro [Mule] says

            Tom

            You are entirely right. I have major misgivings about the “progressive” project, and don’t view it as sustainable or even human. I view most of my critics here as fairly pleasant, intelligent people, but profoundly wrong.

            SOMEBODY has to keep this place from becoming an echo chamber.

        • Clay Crouch says

          The more I think about it, you and Doug Wilson have a lot in common. Please don’t mistake that for a compliment.

        • Mule,
          As if you don’t squawk aplenty, even as you fling projectiles from your sack full.

        • Eckhart Trolle says

          And I in turn agree to refer to Kirill as Patriarch of Moscow even though he’s really just Putin’s rent-boy. Because etiquette!

    • Katherine J-S certainly makes a splash in those robes! I have no problem saying that my former presiding bishop looks pretty silly in them.

      I don’t dislike her for her garb or her exegesis, whatever that amounts to (besides supporting gay equality in the church). But I do dislike her policy of suing the Episcopalians who want to leave the church and take the church building with them. She has spent at least $44 MILLION suing to keep the property in the name and legal possession of The Episcopal Church.

      I can see both sides of the conflict: she doesn’t want to preside over the dissolution of TEC in America; the “departers” (who departed over the gay issue) are often the people who have grown up in and supported and loved those homely little old church buildings, and feel entitled to keep and worship in them.

      But spending tens of millions of dollars on a property issue surely can’t be what Our Lord had in mind. Especially when KJS was suing other Christians. As Paul said, why shouldn’t we just let ourselves be injured, rather than go to law against our Christian brothers and sisters?

      • Clay Crouch says

        Actually, the individual dioceses own the properties, not TEC. Why should folks who want to leave a particular organization demand that they take with them what they do not own? I would imagine that the dioceses and TEC took the view that preventing the looting of church property was good stewardship. But that’s old news.

        • Eckhart Trolle says

          It depends on the law of each individual US state. Some congregations actually predate the denomination!

        • But Clay, there have been dioceses that voted to separate from TEC, and they have also had to fight to keep the church properties. At issue is that TEC claims that the member dioceses, and by extension their individual parishes, signed onto an agreement some years ago that centralized control in the national church, rather than at the diocesan (never mind parish) level; under that agreement (the name of which I don’t know), the dioceses own the properties, but are not free to do whatever they will with them. I don’t know the details or legal technicalities, but TEC has sued to protect its right under this agreement to control the properties of several dioceses that voted to separate from TEC, and the court cases have been proceeding for a number of years.

      • Gosh, I thought these vestment pics were just going to provoke a bit of lighthearted fashion laughter today.

        • Clay Crouch says

          And I thought we’d all join in for The Last Waltz!

        • CM, I took them as lighthearted fun, but surely you know they’re like a homing beacon for people who oppose womens’ ordination/consecration as bishops?

          Anyway, I spent my quota of words above talking about obscure CofE issues, related to weird interpretations of apostolic succession and once a bishop, always a bishop; at least, so long as the right kind of person laid hands on you and consecrated you.

        • Eckhart Trolle says

          The colourblind guy looks like he’s wearing knickers on his head.

          • I remember seeing this on the Bad Vestments blog many moons ago… I think that’s actually what it is.

    • Well folks..I was born and raised Southern Baptist and lemme tell you, ALL vestments are bad bad bad. Don’t need no collar and no robe. You wear a suit and tie like Paul and Jesus did.

  2. Insider language that bothers me

    here’s a few

    1. No sin is worse than any other.

    2. Christianity is not about religion, it’s about………….I don’t even need to finish that because we all know the big R word that fills in that blank.

    3. And of course the ever popular invitation to ask Jesus to come into your heart.

    • As far as insider language, how about Tripp and Tyler’s comic compendium?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dxo0Yjno3I

      “It was a total God thing.”
      “I echo that echo of my echo of his echo…”
      “Guard her heart, bro.”

      • Brianthedad says

        I posted that link one time, shoot Christians say. It was met with confusion and anger. I had to take it down. No one got it. Many of us, we Christians, don’t have much of a sense of humor about these sorts of things. I’ve tried to move away from using this language but find it real hard to otherwise convey certain ideas and thoughts when talking to Christian friends, even those sympathetic to post-evangelicalism or post-evangelical themselves. It’s a source of frustration to us all.

        • Really? Wow. I know I’ve been out of circulation for a couple of decades, but I’m pretty sure that anyone in my Pentecostal circles back in f the day would have had a good laugh at the mid-90s equivalent. Even Charisma Magazine would occasionally run good-natured little parodies of how people typically speak in tongues. So I’m sorry that was your experience, Brian, but I like to think such reactions aren’t universal.

        • I was in a young adult’s church service that showed that before the sermon. Lots of laughter, agreement, shaking of heads…delight at being recognized.

          But no recognition of the need to change and stop saying and doing these things.

      • Mourning Dove says

        As my husband and I sort through what our place is in the dysfunctional church we attend and the Kingdom of God as a whole, I needed to laugh out loud at this video. Thank you!

    • How about:

      -I’m speaking the truth in love.

      -“With heads bowed and eyes closed, raise your hand if you need ______ (related to sermon topic).”

      -When I surrender all, I do it with my palms DOWN, because with palms up I can still hold onto stuff.

      • Speaking the Truth in Love, according to Steve over at Pithless Thoughts:
        http://pithlessthoughts.blogspot.com/2010/05/orthograph-83-its-handy-excuse.html

        • Good chart!

          It reminds me of a post I saw on Facebook yesterday of a guy reacting to Starbucks’ decision not to put Merry Christmas on any of their cups or decor this year. He was talking into the camera, saying he’s getting around that by telling the barista his name is Merry Christmas, and he then held up his cup and it said “Merry Christmas” on it.

          I posted that on the one hand, that’s kinda clever, but on the other hand, if I was a non-Christian barista, I’d think the guy was just a jerk.

          • Someone else (or maybe the same person?) gave the name “Jesus Christ is Lord” to the Starbucks barista, so she would proclaim the gospel when his coffee was ready.

          • ew ew ew to both rick and ted. i’ve heard both of those done. may have seen the JC is Lord one in person.

          • that “Jesus Christ is Lord” was a hallmark of the cult church I was in, came up out of it’s hippie jesus movement roots. everything had to have that phrase on it, including the building in as big a letters as the godless liberal government would allow on a building.

            even while attending, i was never proud of it. “But it’s the truth and one day every knee will bow!” doesn’t matter.

            that, and their weekly street evangelism while lugging a giant wooden cross on wheels around…two red flags i ignored.

          • Eckhart Trolle says

            Do they call the names out loud? Then you could put down “Hugh Jass” or something.

          • Mike Rotch, your coffee is ready…

        • At least ‘speaking the truth in love’ is a phrase that actually comes from Scripture

          • True. But there’s a nuance between the Biblical exhortation to “speak the truth in love” and someone who insists, “I’m speaking the truth in love.”

          • The more you need to shout about it, the less likely it is that you’re doing it.

      • My biggest Christian-ese pet peeve is “Make Jesus Lord of your life.” As if I can make Jesus anything! I believe he is Lord — I may acknowledge that, or not, but it doesn’t change who he is.

        Oh, and “servant leader.” In my experience, someone who uses that to describe him/herself really means, “you be the servant, I’ll be the leader.” Jesus didn’t tell his follower to be servant leaders. He told them to be servants. Period.

    • The one that gets me is more of a mainlineism: “living into,” “We’re going to live into this…” vision, tension, whatever.

  3. I have never heard “Jesus with skin on”. I’m kind of afraid to click on those links to find out what it means.

    And a special movie quote for the Bishop at the Feast of the Healing of the Colorblind: “Son, you got a panty on your head.”

    • Adam Tauno Williams says

      > “Son, you got a panty on your head.”

      The next chapter in out-reach and seeker sensitivity? The frat party themed church service!

    • My pastor preached a sermon “God with the skin on,” which, referring to Jesus, made some sense, but “Jesus with the skin on”? Huh?

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says

      Those “Worlds Ugliest Vestments” have got to be Episcopalian. Since that Spong guy, they’ve gotten quite a rep for that type of strangeness. I think Steve Taylor had a song lyric once about “You’re so open-minded, all your brains must have leaked out.”

    • Burro [Mule] says

      With the conversion of many Evangelicals to Orthodoxy has come the inevitable chrismation of our linguistic habits. We have some bad ones of our own. Some examples of bad ortho-speak:

      “best kept-secret in Christendom”
      “speaking the truth since 33 AD”
      ‘Western’ used as a pejorative
      “we’re not non-denominational, we’re pre-denominational”

      • How about: “It’s a Mystery!”

        Keeping Mystery central to theology is a very helpful corrective to Western (oops, I did it just now!) tendencies towards over-analysis.

        Shouting “Mystery” when one should simply admit to garden-variety ignorance of a topic is a totally different matter.

        • Klasie Kraalogies says

          Ignornce in a world where many answers are available is a mystery…..

        • David Cornwell says

          How about “mystery” when it just does not matter one way or the other to the ordinary Christian? I’m always tempted to say “it’s a mystery” and walk away when some theological subjects are broached. I mean some things have been argued to death for centuries, and we are just as far away from an answer.

          Maybe I should just say “don’t care one way or the other, since no easy answer seems possible.” “It’s a mystery” seems faster. But maybe glib.

          I remember in college, we’d have arguments way into the night over subjects such as “once in grace, always in grace.” Or “entire sanctification.” The college was identified with Wesleyan theology, but Baptist friends were great for arguments. All that was fun when I was 17 and 18, but not so much now. Now it has become “mystery!”

        • Eckhart Trolle says

          To my knowledge, the Orthodox don’t actually do that.

  4. Regarding those vestments…

    And we ask why fewer people are attending church?

    • Clay Crouch says

      Yeah, that’s got to be the reason.

      • Just suggesting that folks who don’t already follow Jesus might see folks wearing that garb and think, “Nut case.” What, do you think those vestments would have a tendency to draw in rather than repel the marginal or non-believer?

        • Clay Crouch says

          I think a lot of folks, at least in America, who do already follow Jesus folks wearing vestments are nut jobs. But since the vast majority of the Church are very familiar with vestments, that says more about American Evangelicalism than it does about those wearing vestments. And that’s a sad thing.

          • Clay Crouch says

            Sorry, first sentence should read:

            I think a lot of folks, at least in America, who do already follow Jesus think folks wearing vestments are nut jobs.

          • Hmm…I’m not so sure. As a semi-evangelical, I understand the vestments, and I think most long-time Christians who know anything about different denominations know about vestments. I don’t think too many of us consider those who wear vestments “nut jobs.”

            My attempt at a light-hearted dig was referring specifically to why some marginal believers and/or non-believers might be a bit leery going to a church led by people wearing THESE vestments.

    • Honestly, I think those are kind of more the exception than the rule. The vast majority of liturgical worship is led by priests in simple white robes.

  5. Headless Unicorn Guy says

    Carson’s statement about the pyramids has been getting around. Here’s the coverage over at the Skeptic blog “Doubtful News”:
    http://doubtfulnews.com/2015/11/were-the-egyptian-mummies-just-scarecrows-carsons-absurd-claims-about-the-pyramids/

    And this is a guy who’s second only to The Trump as God’s Anointed Choice for Our Next President…

    • Christiane says

      it is beginning to occur to me that Ben is a little bit loopy . . . I know he is the top pediatric neuro surgeon in the world, a genius at what he does, and this is WONDERFUL . . . but he doesn’t seem to have it all together when he’s out of the operating room . . .

      too early to judge? well, could be . . . he could still ‘fess up to ‘exaggerating’ the truth or ‘mis-speaking’ or whatever Republcans want to call it, and the American people will forgive him as is their generous way . . . HOWEVER, he doesn’t so far seem very contrite and the ‘craziness’ in some of his comments is increasing (grain storage pyramids?) . . .

      he is still does not have the ‘creep’ factor than Cruz carries . . . that at least says something for him

      I wonder what he will say NEXT? Maybe he’s trying to be as ‘entertaining’ as the Donald. No one is as entertaining as the Donald. So, if that is the case, we can get ready for some REAL whoppers from Ben Carson.

      This year’s clown car of candidates is SO much fun!

      • So Chris, are you “feeling the Bern” or are you going to vote for the world’s smartest women?

        • Christiane says

          Hi SENECAGRIGGS . . .

          I love Bernie, but my vote goes to Hillary . . . I don’t see Bernie Sanders as one who would sabotage a Democratic victory . . . what he has done is to speak for people who needed a candidate who wasn’t afraid to speak up for them what has no voice anymore . . .

          increasingly, that is the ‘middle class’, so we all have been listening . . . but Hillary will carry that banner also, just not with the same clarion voice as Bernie . . . he even got applause at Liberty University, they couldn’t resist his plain common sense honesty . . . and his intensity for right to be done in the face of the greed of runaway capitalism . . . he’s like the grampa many of us had long ago, come back to jar us into having faith again in trying to do what is right for the common good and not just for special interests

          I love him. Honorary Grampa Bernie. Love, love, love

      • “Clown car”…you mean just like Hillary and the Seven Dwarfs back in 2008? http://www.nysun.com/opinion/hillary-and-the-seven-dwarfs/59097/

      • Funny, just yesterday I had a conversation with someone who had spent 30 years in the healthcare field. She said she’d met numerous Carson types-excellent doctors who were utterly clueless about thing outside of medicine. But I don’t get Carson’s appeal as presidential material. What is the saying? You have a right to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

        • This reminds me of something else another neurosurgeon, Kristina Furlick (?), wrote about in a book about her own experience* as a neurosurgeon. One of her early mentors was a brain-tissue expert of the highest standing, so she was surprised when he said something mocking the theory of evolution. For her, however, it was simply an opportunity to remind herself that people’s opinions on ancillary matters don’t necessarily impinge upon their very real expertise in their chosen field.

          And that’s often my takeaway in general: the compartmentalization of knowledge — fortunately — let’s us get away with less than coherent “world views” most of the time. Even if it’s not something to celebrate, we can still make the trains run on time.

          * For whatever reasons, while women are well represented in many fields of medicine (OBG being an obvious example), very, very few go into neurology. Perhaps some in the medical field can comment on this phenomenon.

          • Apparently neurosurgery is or was an incredibly sexist field. Francis Conley who was a neurosurgeon at Stanford resigned in 1991 in protest after an often accused sexual harrasser was made head of the department. She had the clout to be heard so changes were made and she withdrew her resignation (she has since retired but only after serving as head of the faculty senate).

        • Richard Hershberger says

          Linus Pauling was an absolutely brilliant chemist. His Nobel Prize was an easy call for the committee to make. He also was a complete crank with regard to the purported health benefits of massive doses of Vitamin C. He would have made a terrible President, too. This stuff happens all the time.

          • Klasie Kraalogies says

            It does. I think that some people who concentrate on a single field, excluding all others, and then become good in that field, seem to assume a certain arrogant all-knowingness that they think qualifies them as masters of wisdom.

            The scary thing about Carson and people like him is not that he doesn’t know, but that he doesn’t know that he doesn’t know.

          • “…but that he doesn’t know that he doesn’t know.”

            LOL. True. (And pretty much the state of every human being.)

    • But any criticism of carson is Persecution because the liberal media Hates God.

      …already seeing this fecal matter drip all over my facebook feed. Thankfully twitter is quite scrubbed clean.

    • Eckhart Trolle says

      You’ll notice he didn’t address the alien part.

  6. CM, how could you have omitted the Tweety Bird stole (from Bad Vestments)?

    Jefferts Schori has THE most appalling taste in vestments. I guess nobody ever was able to get “Less is more” to take with her, but it is *so* true. I was holding out for Lutherans per better sense, but I’ve seen some pretty bad examples lately. One from my local paper showed an LCMS pastor with a stole that has silhouettes of all kinds of tropical fish – the kinds with flamboyant tails and fins – in Day-Glo colors, sewn onto a white background. It reminds me of a flannel board, and while i can see it being worn for, say, the Sunday school kids’ Christmas party, well – he wore it at the installation of a bishop. ¿¿¿¡¡¡¡ ????!!!!!111!! kinda sums up my reaction. (And the fish are solid shapes; no pinhole eyes, which is, imo, kinda creepy.)

    • Christiane says

      well, a vestment with Tweety Bird might be symbolic of the Holy Spirit to some, I suppose . . . to each his (or her) own in vestment taste

      . . . Katharine Jefferts Schori has a very vivid sense of drama in her vestments . . . I can envision her in procession into the Church on Pentecost Sunday resplendant in vestments ‘on fire’ a la Katniss Everdeen . . . magnificent!

      oh why not ? . . . we Church people have grown far too stuffy these days anyway

      • Christiane says

        If I were a Bishop, my vestments would be ‘Charlie Brown, Snoopy, and The Gang’ themed. Peanuts characters were my classroom themes when I taught school. The kids loved them. I even cut and pasted Snoopy and Charlie giving instructions on my teacher-made work sheets. Very creative. Tons of fun.

        Tweety Bird? Move over. You ain’t got nothin on Woodstock. Life’s short. CELEBRATE our faith with joy.

    • I think the third photo above is of a Lutheran; but the second is probably another Episcopalian. Fortunately, I’ve not had the misfortune to belong to a parish where the clergy exhibit such poor, and visually distracting, taste in vestments. Although my current rector does celebrate Saturday evening Holy Communion in just jeans, t-shirt and stole.

      • Robert, when my old UMC pastor bothered to vest at all, it was distracting and disturbing…apparently, Disney and Peanuts themed stoles are popular at Candler….

      • Per the comments on the Bad Vestments blog, the 3d one is a Photoshop thing… phony. (Not the green, the miter.)

    • Numo, you mean THIS Tweety-Bird vestment?

      From the August 15, 2015 Ramblings:
      https://internetmonk.com/wp-content/uploads/animals-taking-bath-32__605.jpg

    • Richard Hershberger says

      The ELCA made a fundamental mistake when it decided to adopt the churchy word of “bishop” for its regional synodical presidents. This has caused only trouble. A modest example is the unfortunate trend of ELCA bishops to carry sticks. I have not seen any adopt stupid hats as well, but I fully expect this unhappy day will come about, if indeed it hasn’t already. Fortunately, there does not seem to be a general trend for ridiculous vestments. I have seen a few, but they are rare.

      • When I preach in a Lutheran church, as I do occasionally, I have gone back to wearing my collar and a suit. There are a couple of reasons for that, but one is that I think the collar achieves the same purpose without any threat of ostentation.

        • I’ve always liked the collar. A good way to denote who is a minister and who isn’t. Anyone wearing a collar I’ve interacted with has always been upstanding and compassionate.

        • I think the collar does just what it’s supposed to. Basic vestments, with no ostentation, do the same, though I can see why you wouldn’t want to make use of them, CM.

          I really like the dog collars used by TEC and the CofE.

        • Richard Hershberger says

          I am a fan of vestments. I am not a fan of ridiculous vestments. How to define the difference. Like pornography, one knows it when one sees it.

          • Richard, i like vestments, too, but Less is More, in that case. Not sure how or why so many people have taken it to extremes (like Jefferts Schori), but the sooner we see the last of that, the better. Honestly, i feel kind of embarrassed for them.

  7. Any selection of bad vestments that hasn’t got Raymond Burke in it isn’t adequate clickbait.

  8. When you want to know about pyramids, study the Bible. Duh.

    • Christiane says

      could Carson have mistaken the pyramids for the ARK, and the grain supplies for the ANIMALS . . . once you get into literalism, anything goes and you get to plug in ‘truth’ where it suits your fancy, I guess

      or maybe Ben Carson has a different Bible . . . (?)

      very mysterious, all this weirdness

  9. Ben Carson’s pyramid theory is just wacky. I shudder to think of him as President. I shudder to think of Trump as President. I have no faith, or trust, in Clinton, but at least she is a known quanitity: an unscrupulous, Machiavellian politician, though an especially extreme example of one.

    • I shudder to think of Hilary or “The Bern” as president. Absolutely shudder.

    • Adam Tauno Williams says

      In the face of that kind of thing… I just wonder…. like why go there? How do you get from any normal question in the western world to Pyramids? His answer and how the conversation got on that topic bother me equally.

      • That Carson and Pyramid story just shows that conservative religious types will believe anything. It was so ridiculous I almost chocked on my Gluten Free/non-GMO Raisin Bran (only $8.99 a box at the co-op!). Time for my homeopathy treatment for my resulting headache.

        • Klasie Kraalogies says

          David – you are trying hard, but you fail. Lots of people on either side of the aisle reject homeopathy. And there are lots of Conservatives that are also anti-GMO and anti -vaxxers ( for instance).

          The concern here is the non-concern people have for presidential candidates doubling down on ridiculous beliefs.

          • The concern here is the non-concern people have for presidential candidates doubling down on ridiculous beliefs.

            I’m hoping that Chaplain Mike got that pyramid quote from Facebook.

            This is scary. I have friends who like Carson.

          • Klasie Kraalogies says

            There is a Youtube video where he claimed this originally, and a CNN newsclip where he doubles down on it.

      • Because the Bible is True and the Holy Spirit will lead us into ALL Truth.

        Who are you going to believe? The vain philosophies of man? Or the timeless eternal God?

      • Pyramids should be mentioned in Godwin’s Law. I mean, back in the 70s, everyone talked about them and put them in album cover art and believed literally insane things about them. They were complete conversation-stoppers, then and now.

        Carson needs a remedial course in ancient history, too. I think a visit to Giza would be shocking to him, because he’d learn how wrong he is…

  10. God simply created the pyramids to look like they were built 500 years before Joseph was born. (End Sarcasm…yeah, because someone actually might take this seriously (sadly, not sarcasm).].

    Why doesn’t rational thought have a place among so much of evangelicalism? Would you want a guy with such a lack of judgement cutting into your brain – let alone as POTUS? It’s bad enough Carson (or Trump) says things like this, even worse that so many evangelicals’ response is “seems legit”.

    • Adam Tauno Williams says

      He may be a great surgeon. I know a couple brilliant developer/coders who I wouldn’t trust to watch my dog – and my dog is pretty self-sufficient. I’ve helped a award-heavy Phd Psychologist write a book who could not manage Save-As reliably or keep track of the floppy disks. It is possible to be very narrowly brilliant.

      Of course I wouldn’t want any of those people to be president.

      • I’m sure Carson didn’t acquire his surgical knowledge and skill by studying the Bible, though he seems to think that he can acquire expertise in the history and construction of the Egyptian pyramids that way.

        • That Other Jean says

          Which might be difficult, since the pyramids are not mentioned anywhere in the Bible.

      • It is possible to be very narrowly brilliant.
        I think for many of the brilliant in one area the brighter the star the narrower the beam.

        And many with a narrow beam think it’s broader than normal. 🙁

        I have several friend who fit the brilliant category. But some with narrow beams and fewer with broad beams.

    • Why doesn’t rational thought have a place among so much of evangelicalism?

      Now THERE’S a tale long in the telling. Take your pick – cultural reflection of American anti-intellectualism in general, the revivalist focus on emotion and decision, the reaction against the perceived apostasy of the educated clergy in the 18th and 19th century, the emphasis on biblicism married to inerrancy…

      Or, you could park next to the fireplace with a good brandy and read Mark Noll’s *The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind*.

      • Adam Tauno Williams says

        I could park next to the fireplace with a good brandy and NOT read that. 🙂 I lived it, and my reading list is really long already.

      • Burro [Mule] says

        Does Dr. Noll explain Evangelical anti-intellectualism in his book, or merely decry it?

        I’m kind of in two minds about the use of reason in religion. I fled Pentecost for Reformed precincts because of the outright brain-deadness in Pentecostalism, only to be driven back to Pentecostalism because of the lack of any spiritual intuition among the Reformed.

        Fortunately, there was Cathodoxy, and finally Orthodoxy when I had to make a choice. The Catholics make better use of reason, but the Orthodox have a better gut.

        • No, he doesn’t. I had the book on the shelf for many years and wanted to read it, but when I finally did, it basically became a scree about how dumb evangelicals are, and the answer from the start is we need more Reformed theologians.

          I’m sure it’s not a terrible book. I didn’t finish, just scanned through it, couldn’t accept his non-answers.

          So, Noll basically decrys it, he doesn’t explain it, and he certainly doesn’t offer any answers beyond “go my team”.

          Also did the pentecostal to Reformed thing. Or more like Arminian Semi-Pelagian Baptist into Calvinist Baptist into Semi-Pelagian Arminian Pentecostalism into PCA Reformed into general Evangelical Free into the wilderness into the nones and brunch.

    • Oh come on – a prerequisite for running for president is to have already jettisoned rational thought – the smart ones stay far far away from that horse race… 🙂

    • I’m not sure what’s scarier, some of the people running for president or some of the people VOTING for the president.

  11. “Jesus with skin on”: you see, after giving his flesh in communion for the past 2,000 years, Jesus doesn’t have much left. He’s kind of a heavenly walking dead at this point. Sad, really. So he has to embody our skin in order not to scare the little kids – except on Halloween, of course. Your welcome.

    • And thousands of churches worldwide each week rip the flesh from his body and drain the blood from him…and consume it.

      But if you cut a man open afterwards, you wouldn’t find foreign human flesh or blood in his stomach.

      It’s a mystery! (or cognitive dissonance seeking to hold on to medieval explanations, but whatever)

  12. Clay Crouch says

    Van The Man’s performance of Caravan in The Last Waltz is simply transcendent.

  13. Loved the pics of mechanics reproducing masterpieces…

  14. My least favorite Christian lingo word is season. “This is a season in my life.” Gag!

    As far as the “Feast of the Healing of the Colorblind” vestment, his hat looks like upside down women’s underwear.

  15. See, what I don’t get is putting chocolate in chili. Some peppers go well with chocolate, but as a main ingredient I just don’t understand. Must be a south thing. I’ve had a lot of Cincinnati chili, and it’s not noticeable.

    Had some really good bourbon chili earlier this week, a friend made a huge batch and gave me some. So good.

    My chili tends to freak out the “omg ketchup is so spicy” minnesota native crowd I know. Something about selling their butt to the devil with no return.

    • Also, it’s a travesty that no stores around here carry Black Label Jalapeno bacon. I really, really want to try it.

    • A little dark chocolate in chili would work. My wife makes a mole sauce for a Mexican chicken dish that could win awards.

      And Lindt makes a good chili chocolate bar.

      • And there’s a lunch place in Bar Harbor that makes a jalapeno brownie (still legal in most states) that just made my mouth water thinking about it.

    • Stuart, chilis and chocolate are used in a number of famous Mexican dishes, and chocolate with chili in it is popular down there as well…”There really is something about the flavor of the choc as a seasoning in Cincy chile, though it is extremely subtle and is, I’m guessing, never intended to stand out on its own. It’s how it blends with the rest of the ingredients that’s the thing.

    • I usually put a heaping tablespoon of cocoa powder in my chili. I find it balances well with the spice and is a bit richer in taste.

  16. “Strengthening that which remains”.A euphemism that a church uses when it’s about to close its doors. It always looks idiotic on a church sigh, or a church bulletin.

    • “binding the strong man”

      aka, I had bad dreams and I spoke Jesus’ name once and satan is now forever bound amen

  17. “How’s your thought life, bro? You keeping pure?”

    Nope, quit carnal and sinful, same as your own, thanks for asking. Thank God for Jesus, amirite?

    • [Edited by moderator]

      Was talking the other day to a female friend of mine who grew up in different churches but left them near the end of high school, but most of her family and extended family are still going to churches in the Bible Belt. She couldn’t believe half the stories I told her about pastors and leaders taking us men aside for purity checks and confessions and internet filters and locker checks and whatever else.

      She’s naturally extremely blessed in the chest area, and she told me the more religious side of her family, all the men on that side, cousins, uncles, whatever, can’t hug her. Literally will never hug her unless it’s a extreme distant side hug. They need to remain pure and can’t have bad thoughts, even about their own cousin or niece.

      I grew up in this mentality, but now…that’s evil. How is that not evil? There’s nothing innocent or pure about that at all. That’s unloving. That’s a step away from burka. That’s patriachy. That’s spitting in the face of God who created women in general and in her case an extremely sweet loving but naturally tall and busty southern girl, who has been bullied by other women and made to feel like she’s a source of sin to so many men in her life.

      I … hate Christianity. I hate it so hard.

      • And don’t fucking excuse them. Oh that’s just fundamentalist or evangelicism or pentecostalism, whatever. Sure. But that is christianity in america. That’s what christianity is. anything mainline is aberrant. Anything liberal is an anomoly. Why the hell should anyone ever become a Christian, go to church, or live in Christianity at all? Why?

        I can’t think of a single damned reason anymore.

      • Interesting rant that seems to come from out of the blue. But yes, holding someone else’s good looks against them seems lame at best, sickening at worst.

        “You caused me to sin!”

        Um…say what?

        And yes, taken to the extreme you’ll be establishing religious laws that require women to wrap themselves completely.

      • In her latest book, Rachel Held Evans, who grew up smack dab in the middle of purity culture, calls her breasts her “stumbling blocks.” Got a chuckle every time I read it.

      • I’m going to combine bad evangelical lingo with the topic of pretty women held in disdain by “spiritual” men…

        Bad evangelical lingo: “God made me this way.”

        My guess is that some of the men who use that saying “God made me this way” are the same men who might look down on a pretty woman as the cause of their lusts.

        “What, did God make you YOUR way, but not make her HER way?”

      • Burro [Mule] says

        Your relatives would fare poorly in a Greek parish. Most of the women there are built like a WWE diva and hug like one too.

        I’ve had my share of impure thoughts, thank God.

    • Dr. Fundystan, Proctologist says

      This one is funny in numerous ways. For starters, what Christians sometimes consider an impure thought life is just bizarre. For another, it is a pretty good example of how some Christians have just totally lost any sense of propriety, dignity, or manners. As well, what exactly is the questioner supposed to do with that information? Weird all the way around, really.

  18. Klasie Kraalogies says

    “Plead the blood”. Sounds like a weird talisman?

    “Speak a prophetic word”. So did yo write the particulars down so we can check in future if he/she was a true prophet?

    “Total commitment”. You wanna bet?

    “I pronounce you free..” Who made you king, buster?

    • Those are all good (as in “bad”).

    • “Plead the blood”” used in that way IS talismanic, Klasie. Common among many Pentecostals and charismatics.

      I was once praying exactly that when I all of a sudden realized what it was, and haven’t said or thought it since. It was habitual for years, though.

  19. If you Internet-monkers wish to critisize me directly, you have my e-mail. Feel free. I’ll be glad to engage you on the topic of your choice. Seneca

    • Clay Crouch says

      That’s what I’m doing when I respond to your comments. That’s how commenting usually works.

    • Senecagriggs’ blog is called “Wartburg-whiners,” a critique of The Wartburg Watch, which Seneca calls “written by two women and the commenters are increasingly female.”

      I don’t consider myself increasingly female.

      • Clay Crouch says

        How interesting that he has a blog by and for folks who whine about The Warburg Watch. That’s different.

      • oh wow…that’s a real blog.

        needs updated. hasn’t been written in since july.

        and looks like it needs to start with a retraction of the last post…

        • it’s just…sad seeing that blog.

          i wish the spirit of jesus and internet monk would rub off on people more

      • Gamma male Ted? There are several of those active at the wart.

  20. Whoa… what is happening with the comments today?

    • That Other Jean says

      A whole lot of people woke up cranky. Maybe it’s the weather. Here, at least, it’s gray and damp and nasty.

    • Klasie Kraalogies says

      Well, there is a planetary alignment today…

      🙂 🙂

    • Pics of silly vestments posted. Silly vestments made fun of. People offended at people making fun of silly vestments.

      • I’m offended by your observation of people offended at people making fun of pics of silly vestments.

        The cat with the Tweety-bird vestment is still my favorite.

    • Christiane says

      My comments are noticeably in need of ‘moderation’ . . . I chalk it up to a very hot Indian summer and maybe when the weather breaks, my attitude will come ’round to ‘appropriate’ . . . if not, no offense here at being ‘moderated’ if need be . . . in the mean time, mercy would be appreciated muchly . . . I am more ‘troubled’ than ‘trouble-maker’, although I think sometimes the former spills over into the latter. Please forgive. Peace to all this day. 🙂

  21. Clay Crouch says

    Let’s try this one more time. From The Last Waltz, everybody join in. I Shall Be Released

  22. As far as criminally negligent liturgical garb goes, you can do a lot worse than the first KJS pic. Honestly, that one isn’t two far afield, my own pastor has a stole with a rainbow on it for Easter season. I always chuckle when he preaches against gay marriage wearing it. The second KJS, however, deserves the caption it got.

    • There’s another set like that, Miguel, only predominantly red, white and blue. The fabric in the miter is aligned the same way, making it look loke someone cut up a serape.

      Really, really terrible.

  23. You know,what I find interesting about this Saturday Ramblings? It is probably one of the shortest ever – consisting essentially of nothing more than vestment silliness, Ben Carson silliness, and evangelical-speak silliness – yet it has garnered over 240 comments!

  24. Headless Unicorn Guy says

    In other news, the War on CHRISTmas kicked off today with an opening salvo against Starbucks for its “Starbucks Hates Jesus” cups. All Outer Party and Proles are ordered to mobilize NOW against This Threat.